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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I've mentioned before that an old friend of mine is partnered with somebody who is transitioning. Anyway, this was a social media post from them the other day.
On Rowling... so it’s been a long day at work and I’m at Flinders Station and heading towards the ladies desperate to do a pee and I have a moment and stop and I start thinking about her comments casually tapped into a machine some thousands of miles away and I stand there and I’m paralysed and I think I can’t go in, I can’t go in’ and I stand there and I don’t go in and I go to the train and I spend 45minutes holding on until I get home and I spend the evening tearing myself apart about my physical appearance - of not being an ‘acceptable’ female for the likes of Rowling and I have no love for myself or for much of humankind and I am angry and I think ‘that’s what happens when you spread hate’ so I’m going to try not to do that and I’m going to try and be kind and next time I’m at Flinders I’m going to use my toilet and not let it become a flashpoint for the likes of those who live in a space that has no room for acceptance or authenticity and demands that the likes of me and all my brothers and sisters simply stay in the shadows.
I don't know how this resolves to be honest, absolutely no idea. I can see the point of view above, I really can. But I'm also the father to a 6 year old daughter, and I have zero interest in the idea that a bloke can put on a dress then head into these areas.
At what point would you be happy for a trannie to start using the women's loo? Post-op or is there a stage during transition at which you say "alright you're now clearly more of a chick than a bloke"?
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@JC said in British Politics:
@MajorRage I don’t envy anybody who’s going through that. But I think they are wide of the mark if they think Rowling casually typed it in anywhere. she clearly believes in her position strongly and TBH if her at times quite vociferous feminism isn’t to be something of a hypocrisy she should defend it staunchly, as she has done. Isn’t her real issue with self-identification though? If people are committed to transitioning I suspect many of us would recalibrate the bar for them. Just a thought.
There is nothing wrong, or offensive, with Rowling's positions. The activists make it seem much worse than it is.
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
It's the transitioning of her understandable, anger and anxiety onto someone she has never met, because that person holds views she disagrees with and thinking holding opposing views represent hatred, that I find worrying.
Am very sympathetic to your friend's partner and hope all goes well for her, but something has gone very, very wrong with society when someone holding a contrary opinion is seen as a threat to another's mental health.Agree whole heartedly. The thing is that I guess transitioning don't feel accepted in society, and want society to change to accommodate them. Reality is that they don't harm anybody (generally the opposite), and don't see why there are issues around it. But there is complete ignorance that the position created is something that could easily be taken advantage of. And by some of the worst / most mentally ill members of society.
@junior said in British Politics:
At what point would you be happy for a trannie to start using the women's loo? Post-op or is there a stage during transition at which you say "alright you're now clearly more of a chick than a bloke"?
I honestly don't know how to answer, or define, that question. Where does it start or end. What happens if in 6 years I'm taking my now 12 year old daughter to some swimming baths, and I see what is clearly a dude in a dress following her into the ladies changing rooms.
I think that I'm entitled to take a position contrary to what Trans activists believe without taking straight out abuse.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
The thing is that I guess transitioning don't feel accepted in society, and want society to change to accommodate them.
I'd imagine the vast majority of people have no problems with their being accepted and society accommodating them - and I'd fully support them in this.
It's their wanting to fundamentally change society and labelling anyone who disagrees with then bigoted and hateful and pushing for them to be punished which is the problem.
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Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
I assure you on the ground, this difference in response / reporting has not gone unnoticed.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
I assure you on the ground, this difference in response / reporting has not gone unnoticed.
Thats what Im afraid of. Every action has a reaction. We keep going down this path it doesn't end well for anyone.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
I assure you on the ground, this difference in response / reporting has not gone unnoticed.
What has struck me (and I wish it hadn't occurred) is I quickly noticed the lack of skin colour being mentioned in the reporting, as opposed to everything else the previous couple of weeks. They're just 3 men, not 3 white gay men.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
Just so you know.....
Black Lives Matter is against racism and systemic injustices against the Black community, and it works for equality for everyone.
The message of the slogan is not that Black lives matter more. It is not that the lives of Caucasian people don't matter. It is that Black lives matter just as much.
Reactionary cries that 'White Lives Matter!' or even 'All Lives Matter!' demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of what BLM is working for and fighting against.
Such cries also have the effect of diminishing the plight of a community that has suffered violent subjugation in the past and continues to feel the residual ill effects of history, with overt and subtle racism still evident today.
The fact that 'White Lives Matter' has been used as a slogan for white supremacist groups is highly problematic and it creates an absurd false equivalence.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
Extraordinary.
Would have expected the LBGT etc to be apoplectic.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
Just so you know.....
Black Lives Matter is against racism and systemic injustices against the Black community, and it works for equality for everyone.
The message of the slogan is not that Black lives matter more. It is not that the lives of Caucasian people don't matter. It is that Black lives matter just as much.
Reactionary cries that 'White Lives Matter!' or even 'All Lives Matter!' demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of what BLM is working for and fighting against.
Such cries also have the effect of diminishing the plight of a community that has suffered violent subjugation in the past and continues to feel the residual ill effects of history, with overt and subtle racism still evident today.
The fact that 'White Lives Matter' has been used as a slogan for white supremacist groups is highly problematic and it creates an absurd false equivalence.
Or perhaps it was just a showing in solidarity of the support for the 3 needless white lives lost at the hands of a member of the BAME community? Not overly different to George Floyd ...
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Would have expected the LBGT etc to be apoplectic.
Extinction Rebellion have been very quiet too.
Perhaps Social Justice Warriors can't multi-task.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
Extraordinary.
Would have expected the LBGTP etc to be apoplectic.
You forgot a letter.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
Extraordinary.
Would have expected the LBGTP etc to be apoplectic.
You forgot a letter.
hence the 'etc'
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20+ Police Injured at largely peaceful Brixton House Party.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
20+ Police Injured at largely peaceful Brixton House Party.
https://streamable.com/9a691fLargely peaceful according to whom please?
Unlawful gathering in these Covid times? Even in England, no?
Hard to put Pandora back in the box now.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone else think it a bit odd that you can have 3 gay men hacked to death in broad daylight in the uk and it disappear off of headlines in just a few days?
The guy that flew the 'white lives matter' behind a plane is under police investigation, has been hauled over the coals as a disgusting racist and both he and his girlfriend have lost their jobs as a result.
How long before people start to think well maybe he has a point..at least as much of a point as blm?
Extraordinary.
Would have expected the LBGTP etc to be apoplectic.
You forgot a letter.
hence the 'etc'
Prius is not etc!!
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@MiketheSnow It's a joke referring to BBC's bias during the BLM protests.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Largely peaceful according to whom please?
The police were probably confused and thought it was a BLM event ripping down some statue or other and attacking fascists.
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