Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
If you make him pay maybe it's not an option for him?
Well then I guess it's not an option eh! Gotta love those free air fares from the GC eh? Or perhaps there's another option for Mr cash strapped international traveler.
I'm really not sure what you're saying. Are you implying that a bloke who can afford an airfare of $500 to come home, should also be able to afford a $3k hotel bill for 14 days?
This are figures I never made any mention of.
Surely a bloke that only pays 500 can afford more than a chick that pays 2300 too.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
If you make him pay maybe it's not an option for him?
Well then I guess it's not an option eh! Gotta love those free air fares from the GC eh? Or perhaps there's another option for Mr cash strapped international traveler.
I'm really not sure what you're saying. Are you implying that a bloke who can afford an airfare of $500 to come home, should also be able to afford a $3k hotel bill for 14 days?
This are figures I never made any mention of.
Surely a bloke that only pays 500 can afford more than a chick that pays 2300 too.
I'm confused man. Wasn't your suggestion that we could (not should) charge people for their isolation period? If so, I'm just asking how that is the right outcome? Another hypothetical, a bloke who works in insurance on the GC, lives alone, 50yrs old. Another bloke works in Hospice on the GC and has a wife who stays home to look after their twin babies.
If we charge for iso, only one of these kiwis is coming home. That doesn't seem right to me.
I'm no socialist, but I'm not sure we should be allocating basic citizen rights like returning home, based on ability to pay.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo so why have numbers of people returning increased so much in the past 3 weeks?
Whinny said back in March/April, come home, come how now...why are people only coming home now? THe world is falling apart, lets go back to NZ where they will put me in a hotel for 2 weeks and look after me if I am sick.
They have to do soemthing, I dont have the answer, but if our numbers keep going up the way they are, it is only a matter of time before a breach like the one a couple of weeks back happens again, and may not end as well next time.
It's still only a few hundred a day - it was 250/day for a while, so even at double, it's only 500/day. I would guess the reasons for travelling now are availability of flights, sorting out affairs before leaving, and possibly waiting first to see if their countries of residence were going to get this sorted before making decisions to move back to NZ.
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@voodoo I think you think I think it should happen. I put it up as an idea when tr asked but I really don't care.
I will say this though, If I'm living overseas and can't afford to come home, I'm not sure that's an issue for other people to sort out.
And again, I never gave a monetary figure, you did.
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@Bones The monetary figure is based on an Aussie estimate of the costs of quarantining someone there, as they contemplate making people pay who opt to go overseas on trips now - a plan I would totally support.
I'm not implying you've supported a proposal to make returning citizens pay, just putting my own view out there that I'd be very much against it. The cost of returning to your homeland should not include a government enforced 14 day quarantine.
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@voodoo while I think making it user pays will slow the flow of people wanting to return, as I said above I am not sure how they work that.
Some people are probably returning after losing a job where ever they are, and given the current climate in NZ, a job prospect isnt high, so how do you force them to pay, when you are the ones forcing them into iso?
As I said, just venting, been a fluffybunny of a day.
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@taniwharugby told you bro, they get to live on white island and help out for two weeks!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo so why have numbers of people returning increased so much in the past 3 weeks?
The rugby's back on
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Transit hubs reopening/more airlines flying again = more people able to get home again.
I talked to a few people in April & May for whom it was physically impossible to get here (short of jumping on a yacht), even had there been a quarantine space/border exception available for them.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Two straight questions: (i) how many NZ passports are there; and (ii) how many passport holders live outside NZ?
Used to be said when population was 4m, that there were 4m passport holders outside NZ.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I got tested this morning, coincidentally. I had a bit of a phlegmy throat and have had a flu vaccination so counted that out.
Oops! Correlation between % of over 65s with flu vaccination (Grippe-Impfrate) and fatality rate:
My GP won't see me for any symptoms like that unless I've had a test, so I called the Healthline people first thing yesterday. They were very pleasant, took some details and said I met the criteria for testing, and they'd get someone to call to arrange it. A nurse called mid afternoon and asked me some more questions, if you don't have symptoms you're not getting tested apparently. Since I had a couple she arranged for a test at 11 this morning. There was a line of about 7 cars in front of me even with timed appointments. The security guy, who was very chatty, said they are pushing through about 300 tests a day at that location.
I'm not to expect results until Friday, so if Im positive 4 days will have passed between me calling and getting the results. Seems kinda long.
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The whole question of who pays for the quarantine is difficult, but I'm not sure that we all should be paying for it, nor do I think that we can afford it indefinitely. So when do you draw the line? When every single kiwi is home? If you chose to leave, should the NZ taxpayer subsidise your return? You haven't been paying taxes here, and your right to be here hasn't changed, but it's going to cost a bit more?
Charging people for an enforced quarantine seems a bit wrong too. I dunno.
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@taniwharugby Yeah. "The buck stops" seems a relevant phrase. Truman I think.
Especially when you have taken credit for the initial good results.
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@Snowy Ex-pat here. Current NZ non-tax payers returning home should pay for the quarantine. People are always going to take advantage. F#%k em. They want to return then they pay. If they can't, an interest free loan or something like that.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack That is the way I would be going too.
I actually would have expected it to get home from Hong Kong during SARS.
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I kind of like the fact that we are a country that looks after its own. I don't love having to pay for everyone though.
There should be middle ground and have tiers of quarantine. Fully paid = motel some where with out extensive menu etc etc. and work way up from there based on how much you are willing to contribute.