Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo so why have numbers of people returning increased so much in the past 3 weeks?
The rugby's back on
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Transit hubs reopening/more airlines flying again = more people able to get home again.
I talked to a few people in April & May for whom it was physically impossible to get here (short of jumping on a yacht), even had there been a quarantine space/border exception available for them.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Two straight questions: (i) how many NZ passports are there; and (ii) how many passport holders live outside NZ?
Used to be said when population was 4m, that there were 4m passport holders outside NZ.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I got tested this morning, coincidentally. I had a bit of a phlegmy throat and have had a flu vaccination so counted that out.
Oops! Correlation between % of over 65s with flu vaccination (Grippe-Impfrate) and fatality rate:
My GP won't see me for any symptoms like that unless I've had a test, so I called the Healthline people first thing yesterday. They were very pleasant, took some details and said I met the criteria for testing, and they'd get someone to call to arrange it. A nurse called mid afternoon and asked me some more questions, if you don't have symptoms you're not getting tested apparently. Since I had a couple she arranged for a test at 11 this morning. There was a line of about 7 cars in front of me even with timed appointments. The security guy, who was very chatty, said they are pushing through about 300 tests a day at that location.
I'm not to expect results until Friday, so if Im positive 4 days will have passed between me calling and getting the results. Seems kinda long.
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The whole question of who pays for the quarantine is difficult, but I'm not sure that we all should be paying for it, nor do I think that we can afford it indefinitely. So when do you draw the line? When every single kiwi is home? If you chose to leave, should the NZ taxpayer subsidise your return? You haven't been paying taxes here, and your right to be here hasn't changed, but it's going to cost a bit more?
Charging people for an enforced quarantine seems a bit wrong too. I dunno.
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@taniwharugby Yeah. "The buck stops" seems a relevant phrase. Truman I think.
Especially when you have taken credit for the initial good results.
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@Snowy Ex-pat here. Current NZ non-tax payers returning home should pay for the quarantine. People are always going to take advantage. F#%k em. They want to return then they pay. If they can't, an interest free loan or something like that.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack That is the way I would be going too.
I actually would have expected it to get home from Hong Kong during SARS.
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I kind of like the fact that we are a country that looks after its own. I don't love having to pay for everyone though.
There should be middle ground and have tiers of quarantine. Fully paid = motel some where with out extensive menu etc etc. and work way up from there based on how much you are willing to contribute.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I kind of like the fact that we are a country that looks after its own. I don't love having to pay for everyone though.
There should be middle ground and have tiers of quarantine. Fully paid = motel some where with out extensive menu etc etc. and work way up from there based on how much you are willing to contribute.
That's the dilemma. You could question whether they are "our own" having left?
I would have put myself in that category after over 20 years overseas. -
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I kind of like the fact that we are a country that looks after its own. I don't love having to pay for everyone though.
There should be middle ground and have tiers of quarantine. Fully paid = motel some where with out extensive menu etc etc. and work way up from there based on how much you are willing to contribute.
That's the dilemma. You could question whether they are "our own" having left?
I would have put myself in that category after over 20 years overseas.I know that we couldn't set parameters around this but for me if you were born and brought up here than you are one of ours
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I'd assume a number returnees are out of work, and a good number of them will be living pay check to pay check, it's a bit tough to expect them to pay as they're probably having to cobble the money together for flights from friends and family.
I'm with Hooroo, I like the fact that we look after our own. But I have no problem with tiers, can't pay you're 2/3 star accom, can pay a bit for nicer then sure.
Also, how much tax paying guarantees you being "our own"?
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pretty sure it includes returning permanent residents too, not just Citizens (or NZ Passport holders)
Really is no easy answer to it though.
Another 2 cases today, both in isolation...which shows its working right?
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Spoke to a friend this weekend who normally returns to NZ twice a year. He won't be back anytime soon, and is taking a long holiday in Europe this season, and won't be missing out on anything ...
The government needs to be very careful with the Fortress New Zealand approach - the rest of the world is moving ahead, opening borders for business travel and tourism, and won't give a fuck about us. We run the risk of damaging relations with export markets and tourism sources.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Spoke to a friend this weekend who normally returns to NZ twice a year. He won't be back anytime soon, and is taking a long holiday in Europe this season, and won't be missing out on anything ...
The government needs to be very careful with the Fortress New Zealand approach - the rest of the world is moving ahead, opening borders for business travel and tourism, and won't give a fuck about us. We run the risk of damaging relations with export markets and tourism sources.
Tourism sources I get but why export Markets?
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The government needs to be very careful with the Fortress New Zealand approach - the rest of the world is moving ahead, opening borders for business travel and tourism, and won't give a fuck about us.
Yeah. I have said this earlier but we really might have to live (or die) with this and let it happen. It's already here, again.
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@Tim I think in the short term (probably through to end of the year and maybe just beyond) other countries will likely not hold any grudges while still sorting thier own shit and gettign thier houses in order, but I expect beyond that they might start getting pissy about things