Coronavirus - Overall
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a devilish irony that nursing homes are facilities built specifically for people to die in.
I said much the same thing the last time I visited my grandmother who's mind was still sharp but her body was failing her. I called them death camps. Old people waiting to die. Really depressing environment.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a devilish irony that nursing homes are facilities built specifically for people to die in.
I said much the same thing the last time I visited my grandmother who's mind was still sharp but her body was failing her. I called them death camps. Old people waiting to die. Really depressing environment.
have heard them called 'wrinkly farming'
Edit: and there are good and bad versions. Good can be amazing; bad can be soul destroying
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a devilish irony that nursing homes are facilities built specifically for people to die in.
I said much the same thing the last time I visited my grandmother who's mind was still sharp but her body was failing her. I called them death camps. Old people waiting to die. Really depressing environment.
I dont know which is worse, your grandma or mine whose mind is gone but her body keeps going regardless if they want a cure to COVID just give it to Grandma....apparently her body can shake anything off
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@pakman Tegnell would say that though wouldn't he.
It's all worked incredibly well except for the bit that we fucked up - Not that Sweden is alone there.
He's been incredibly defensive about the Swedish experiment to the extent of predicting dire things for NZ which is a bit ironic. You'd think he'd have more sympathy for the other outliers.
Basically he decided it'll take years for a vaccine to be developed so you might as well try for herd immunity as quickly as possible as lockdowns will only delay the inevitable. He also predicted that the other Scandinavian countries would see cases soar as soon as they eased their lockdowns.
He might well be proven right but at this point in time he's effectively traded 4 weeks out of lockdown for a much higher mortality rate. The other Scandi countries are now effectively as "open" as Sweden. The thinking that not going into lockdown would be better for the economy has been proven wrong.
It'll be very interesting to see how it all pans out.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Going forward, care homes everywhere ought to be configured to enable quarantining when a pandemic hits in future. That means in the UK an end to homes being reliant on sharing workers, in particular agency staff.
Needless to say it will be a major exercise.
It's a nice idea but impossible to implement. There are thousands of nursing homes here in Aus, each with hundreds of staff. Given the nature of the work it would skew female (I'm guessing) and many of those nurses and carers would have families of their own.
So some sort of quarantine for that many people for that length of time would be straight out impossible, IMO.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Afghan refugees fleeing back over the border to return back to Afghanistan never made sense with the official numbers.
Assumed it was worse, but was still a 'believable ' amount of stats being released to make the obfuscation plausible. Almost well played.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Going forward, care homes everywhere ought to be configured to enable quarantining when a pandemic hits in future. That means in the UK an end to homes being reliant on sharing workers, in particular agency staff.
Needless to say it will be a major exercise.
It's a nice idea but impossible to implement. There are thousands of nursing homes here in Aus, each with hundreds of staff. Given the nature of the work it would skew female (I'm guessing) and many of those nurses and carers would have families of their own.
So some sort of quarantine for that many people for that length of time would be straight out impossible, IMO.
I'm not sure we're really disagreeing.
With the current haphazard methods of provision of elderly care, and a range of facilities from the hospital-like to B'n'B, prolonged quarantine would be near impossible for all (but possible for some).
The lesson from all this should be that pandamics can and will happen despite all the wonderful medical advances over the last 100 years.
Hence the need for EU-14 to regulate future care homes so that they can quarantive if and when required to in future.
It's a massive undertaking, with very substantial cost implications.
However, lockdown until vaccine is simply unaffordable in most scenarios.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido To get a truer picture I’d like to see the graph for number of tests administered overlaid on those figures.
righto Trumpy
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Deaths should be the metric not cases.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido To get a truer picture I’d like to see the graph for number of tests administered overlaid on those figures.
righto Trumpy
Weeeeell. There is a good chance that significantly greater numbers of tests might show an increase in positive cases. If it doesn’t then just blame it on China.