Coronavirus - New Zealand
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so a further subsidy offered today (I havent looked at the detail) but without a long term plan, what is the point, particularly the tourism industry
I appreciate it is a big industry, that provides alot of $$$ and jobs, but if we arent planning on letting tourists in for 12+ months, are we simply feeding an animal that is going to die, and pretty poor feed too?
Not really suggesting we throw them to the wolves, just saying without a plan, we seem to be throwing money at an industry that has an uncertain future
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Not really suggesting we throw them to the wolves, just saying without a plan, we seem to be throwing money at an industry that has an uncertain future
It's certain there's an election coming though...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Not really suggesting we throw them to the wolves, just saying without a plan, we seem to be throwing money at an industry that has an uncertain future
To be fair, isn't that our whole COVID strategy? Throw money at it to buy time and hope something comes along to solve all our problems.
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@taniwharugby They have been targeting spending at certain tourism operations though and I gather a big marketing push was on for domestic tourism.
Very harsh on those affected but I do think a reset of our tourism industry might be one of the long term benefits of c-19. Like so much else in NZ successive governments seem to have been happy to stand back and let a low value, low wage volume driven tourist industry develop. I can't have been the only one concerned that we were in danger of killing the goose?
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@dogmeat I think there should be an encouragement for domestic tourism anyway, some of the prices simply price locals out of the market.
I was talking to a colleague who hired a 6 berth camper and went round the SI for $65 a day, pre-covid those are like $200 to hire.
Although TBF, I found the same issues when I was in the UK, internal travel in the UK was vastly more expensive that heading to Europe and beyond.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
...happy to stand back and let a low value, low wage volume driven tourist industry develop.
yep, and it contributes 8-10% of GDB I think? And all with foreign currency, so while not ideal, while we had cheap international travel it paid for our iPads, cars, computers, etc.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I was talking to a colleague who hired a 6 berth camper and went round the SI for $65 a day, pre-covid those are like $200 to hire.
Honestly, I think it's been $400+. Crazy prices for tourists
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@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
I spent an entire summer in my pouf at Cathedral Cove on the Coromandel and only saw two other people there. While I'm not advocating anything like that, maybe busloads of tourists turning up for an Insta moment isn't ideal either. I think NZ can cope with the tourism numbers but we need a plan to spread them around a little more. Helps other regions and takes the pressure off the current choke points.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
It will be interesting to see if this is the epoch changing event that kills cheap international travel, and heralds an era of less travel. I'm not sure it's a bad thing - one of my kids bemoans the fact that 'all the people in his class' have passports and ahve been overseas.
That said, we were contemplating an extended trip around Europe next year - like 3-4 months. Was exciting, but looks completely off the table now. However, relocating to a country for a year (or 6 months) could be an interesting option.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
It will be interesting to see if this is the epoch changing event that kills cheap international travel, and heralds an era of less travel. I'm not sure it's a bad thing - one of my kids bemoans the fact that 'all the people in his class' have passports and ahve been overseas.
That said, we were contemplating an extended trip around Europe next year - like 3-4 months. Was exciting, but looks completely off the table now. However, relocating to a country for a year (or 6 months) could be an interesting option.
The timing was quite good in that respect, for me personally. I got through 21 countries in 2019, so enough travel to last me a while. But, on the other hand... I got "stuck" in New Zealand, and pretty much forced into repatriation earlier than I'd intended.
I keep telling myself I'm actually lucky - I've found a job (starting next month), and even if all my shit is sitting in London, I'm about to have income again.
I just hope I don't come to subconsciously resent it. -
The international travel industry won't change. 9/11 didn't stop people getting on planes. The GFC didn't change the financial industry. Human beings don't learn lessons, we jut go in cycles.
In 2 years this will all be forgotten.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In 2 years this will all be forgotten.
I hope to god you're right
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In 2 years this will all be forgotten.
I hope to god you're right
you hope i'm right??!!
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
...happy to stand back and let a low value, low wage volume driven tourist industry develop.
yep, and it contributes 8-10% of GDB I think? And all with foreign currency, so while not ideal, while we had cheap international travel it paid for our iPads, cars, computers, etc.
5.8 % of GDP. But contributing 21% of foreign exchange earnings. According to the TIA.
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So in today's news, Americold coolstore has been ruled out as the entry point for the latest covid19 cluster (what a surprise). And a worker at a quarantine hotel in town tested positive, but not part of the latest cluster. Considering we weren't testing 60% of staff there is your probable mode of entry right there
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So in today's news, Americold coolstore has been ruled out as the entry point for the latest covid19 cluster (what a surprise). And a worker at a quarantine hotel in town tested positive, but not part of the latest cluster. Considering we weren't testing 60% of staff there is your probable mode of entry right there
I was just reading that the worker had a cough that they thought was a pre-existing condition so hadn’t gone for a test. It was the mandatory testing that only just started which picked them up. So if the mandatory testing had kicked in back in June when Clark assured everyone it had this person would have been picked up earlier. And if you’re right and this is the mode of entry, so would the Auckland cluster. It’s just untenable that nobody has taken responsibility for this.
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@JC Bingo. A quick look on the stuff website has a story about Cindy responding to Trump's ludicrous claims about NZ and it's latest covid19 leak. Not much coverage about why we should be concerned about the systems failures that led to where we are now. Apparently Hipkins and Cindy were grilled about it in parliament today by Judith (at least). Only a paltry article about Winny saying that heads should roll over the whole thing
The Herald has a little more, but how can the Minister of Health and the PM, who basked in the success of the first covid19 elimination, now throw Ashley and anyone else they can find under the bus for testing issues this time around and not be called up on it? Truman once said the buck stops here(?). If the body stinks it does so from the head down
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
I spent an entire summer in my pouf at Cathedral Cove on the Coromandel and only saw two other people there. While I'm not advocating anything like that, maybe busloads of tourists turning up for an Insta moment isn't ideal either. I think NZ can cope with the tourism numbers but we need a plan to spread them around a little more. Helps other regions and takes the pressure off the current choke points.
Wales is the same.
Shit marketing team pimping the same old same old.