Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18
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@DMX said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
My issue with BB at 10 is in the past the backline just has not hummed with him, really static, and for some reason his kicking from hand in that position not inspiring either.
Yeah, lets not all forget that a huge portion of the shit play the ABs have served up over the last 3 years has had BB at 10. Individual brilliance aside, the backline and tactical play has been frustratingly poor for a long time.
Whoever the 10 is, I think they are going to struggle with these tactics of playing off scarps of ball and flinging it wide at the first opportunity without the forwards generating some momentum. That just leads to messy disjointed play in the backline. Then the ball gets kicked away.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@pukunui the last time we played direct through the forwards was vs Ireland in the QF. We pummelled them up the guts and peppered them with towering up and unders before all the razzle dazzle
The answer might be in this.
For those couple of years everyone seemed to be obsessed with Ireland because they beat us a couple of times.
Maybe so much energy and thought was put into them (ie. they loaded all the powder into the cannon.) that they had nothing left for England.A similar thing happened in 2015 when there was a huge build up to the Quarter with France who ended up being poor and the ABs were subsequently relatively flat in the Semi the next week. It was just we had a team full of all time greats to get us through.
I guess England fell into the same trap when they focussed so much on the ABs that the Boks were able to ambush them.
So maybe there was “powder” but it got loaded into the ireland cannon when it didn’t need to be.
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@broughie said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@ACT-Crusader what does Fox do? Is he another one held over because of his AB days or is he a good guy to have a beer with. I have a general meh feeling about him but I could be wrong.
Used to think his insights as a commentator were better than most of them , particularly with backline play .
Initially was a selector under Hansen, I was ok with that based on the above .
But not sure what he does now exactly, is there a change of roles ?
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@kiwiinmelb Fox is still the 3rd selector with Foster and Plumtree.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Bovidae I wonder if Plumtree enjoys being the meat in that sandwich, he would be overruled by the old regime. I wonder how much sway he actually has.
I expect Plumtree has a big say on the selection of the forwards. Vaa'i's surprise selection is an example of that.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@booboo said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Wallaby fans must find it hilarious to see the hyperventilating about BB and RM, when they have O'Connor at 10. Excellent player but not a test standard flyhalf.
How he go compared to our guy on the weekend,
You want to swap BB or RM for him?
Well he'd definitely be in our squad
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@pukunui said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@DMX said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
My issue with BB at 10 is in the past the backline just has not hummed with him, really static, and for some reason his kicking from hand in that position not inspiring either.
Yeah, lets not all forget that a huge portion of the shit play the ABs have served up over the last 3 years has had BB at 10. Individual brilliance aside, the backline and tactical play has been frustratingly poor for a long time.
Whoever the 10 is, I think they are going to struggle with these tactics of playing off scarps of ball and flinging it wide at the first opportunity without the forwards generating some momentum. That just leads to messy disjointed play in the backline. Then the ball gets kicked away.
The backline tactics have been junk for ages. I wonder who the backline coach was 🤔
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@booboo said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@booboo said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Wallaby fans must find it hilarious to see the hyperventilating about BB and RM, when they have O'Connor at 10. Excellent player but not a test standard flyhalf.
How he go compared to our guy on the weekend,
You want to swap BB or RM for him?
Well he'd definitely be in our squad
Not as a 10.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
The backline tactics have been junk for ages. I wonder who the backline coach was 🤔
I think we've had more problems in the forwards than in the backs in recent years. You only have to go back to the RWC and the games against Ireland and England when the performance of the AB pack determined whether they won those matches.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
The backline tactics have been junk for ages. I wonder who the backline coach was 🤔
I think we've had more problems in the forwards than in the backs in recent years. You only have to go back to the RWC and the games against Ireland and England when the performance of the AB pack determined whether they won those matches.
It wasn't so much that there were problems or deficiencies but that they weren't utilised nearly as well as they could have been. For whatever reason some people blamed that on BB. Didn't help when he didn't kick goals maybe?
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Assuming forwards all fit, my only change would be Sotutu to start with Frizzell, or just maybe Aoane, on bench. Not heard if Nepo’s available.
In backs I’d be very tempted to put ALB at 12, Jack at 13 and Clarke/Bridge(Aussie kicking game)/Jarrett at back. TJP/Roane/DMX bench. Joane unlucky on that basis. -
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@pukunui said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@DMX said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
My issue with BB at 10 is in the past the backline just has not hummed with him, really static, and for some reason his kicking from hand in that position not inspiring either.
Yeah, lets not all forget that a huge portion of the shit play the ABs have served up over the last 3 years has had BB at 10. Individual brilliance aside, the backline and tactical play has been frustratingly poor for a long time.
Whoever the 10 is, I think they are going to struggle with these tactics of playing off scarps of ball and flinging it wide at the first opportunity without the forwards generating some momentum. That just leads to messy disjointed play in the backline. Then the ball gets kicked away.
The backline tactics have been junk for ages. I wonder who the backline coach was 🤔
Jamie Joseph with Tony Brown as the backs/attacking coach might have been the answer
The thought gives me the warm fuzzies, but it's also depressing to think about the successful head coaches out there who don't have the gig. I can't help thinking we had a few Cullens to choose from but instead chose the Ben Atiga.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@pakman Goodhue isn't small, but more physical than, hmm, what is the competition, ALB (12/13), mini Bus, the giraffe or PUJ (who I think has played 12)..what are they, tiddlywinkers?
Perhaps MORE physical.
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@DMX said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
My issue with BB at 10 is in the past the backline just has not hummed with him, really static, and for some reason his kicking from hand in that position not inspiring either.
What we know with BB is he won't shit the bed, and (a lot of his detractors seem to expunge this stuff from their memories) he's broken open a number of otherwise tight tests with freakish plays to set up tries. He's done it to the Wallabies a number of times. Yes he's not a traditional 10 but he's a country fucking mile ahead of Mo'unga at test level.
I agree with @pukunui though our tactic of spinning it wide and living off scraps is going to be bloody challenging for any 10. Mo'unga would go a lot better if we actually tried to hold the ball for longer periods and get some dominance up front.
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@pakman not sure about that.
Goodhue does alot of the cleaning up, one of the first to alot of breakdowns to secure our ball, gets through a heap of tackles, the odd one he misses, he has usually had a big contact and the guy is slowed sufficiently for the next guy anyway (ideally he drops him then the next guy can try to secure ball)
I think it is offensively where he is struggling at 12, although last weekend there wasnt alot of opportunities for him anyway.
