The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@Derpus said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@chimoaus Raelene knew two years in advance of the RWC that Cheika was fucking pants. She just couldn't get rid of him because a) no money to pay out contract and b) no decent alternatives off contract. That's why Johnson was brought in as DoR - to try and reign Cheika in as much as possible.
Rennie was lined up well in advance. Seems her succession planning was just a bit ahead of youse guys.
I really rated Raelene...
Yeah she did a brilliant job with Foulhow.
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The Wallaby gig must be pretty attractive for an NZ coach who feels he doesn't have a shot at the ABs. Well paid, relatively close to home, awesome lifestyle, relative anonymity. I wouldn't image a great deal of arm twisting is required.
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I recall NZ Rugby identified 26 potential candidates and invited them to apply. Relatively - quite late in in the piece, though. Seemed like a number of them did apply - including, obviously, Fozzie and Robertson, but also Rennie and JJ. Presumably, the latter two got offered their jobs with Oz and Japan and had to make a call on whether to take the bird in the hand.
I suspect that if they'd won the RWC, NZ Rugby just would have rubber-stamped Fozzie into the position without running any sort of process.
So relatively, we're no worse off than we would have been under this scenario, except for not having the WWET sitting in our cabinet.
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The All Black coaches could do worse than speak to Rennieās former Chiefs assistant coaches to learn some of his on field game plans.
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@Chris-B the other thing is, Rennie & Joseph knew the role was going to be up for grabs, assume they thought Fozzie would get it, or maybe Razor would, so didnt bother applying, then we were left with the 2 horse race we got...
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@trodthesod said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
The All Black coaches could do worse than speak to Rennieās former Chiefs assistant coaches to learn some of his on field game plans.
Or just have a chat to Cane and ALB.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Chris-B the other thing is, Rennie & Joseph knew the role was going to be up for grabs, assume they thought Fozzie would get it, or maybe Razor would, so didnt bother applying, then we were left with the 2 horse race we got...
The biggest problem there is that the ideal team would have been Robertson plus Rennie or Joseph, Brown, Robertson. That type of team would make it much harder for the NZRFU to go with Fozzie and ??
The problem was that neither Rennie (fucking traitor) nor Joseph really wanted the job, and that Brown didn't them join up with Robertson. Him by himself is just not attractive enough to make the big change.
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@gt12 not sure they didnt want the job, just timing...Rennie was advanced in his talks with Aus, assume JJ was being offered so much money...plus I dont think any of them were willing to work together (I mean Razor, Rennie & JJ....imagine that team
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@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 not sure they didnt want the job, just timing...Rennie was advanced in his talks with Aus, assume JJ was being offered so much money...plus I dont think any of them were willing to work together (I mean Razor, Rennie & JJ....imagine that team
)Plus Brown. That would be a great team, but might be too many strong minds. Almost impossible for the NZRFU to push aside though.
The other point is that Rennie or Robertson could have both easily been assistants to Foz if they had wanted (not my preferred option, but we7d have a better team).
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@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 not sure they didnt want the job, just timing...Rennie was advanced in his talks with Aus, assume JJ was being offered so much money...plus I dont think any of them were willing to work together (I mean Razor, Rennie & JJ....imagine that team
)Plus Brown. That would be a great team, but might be too many strong minds. Almost impossible for the NZRFU to push aside though.
The other point is that Rennie or Robertson could have both easily been assistants to Foz if they had wanted (not my preferred option, but we7d have a better team).
This shows one of the major flaws in having people apply in coaching āteamsā.
It pretty much guarantees that you will split up your best candidates and end up with substandard coaches.
Sure combinations and relationships are important but shouldnāt be the only factor. We expect players from different franchises to work together. Why not coaches? -
@pukunui Like Hart and Wyllie in 1991? Maybe professionalism has changed that dynamic but I doubt it.
In theory you would hope coaches from different teams and with different philosophies could work together, but I don't think it is that simple. You run the risk of putting too many "head coaches" together which usually leads to problems when personalities, responsibility and egos are involved.
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But why don't you appoint a head coach then work on recruiting the assistants.
Maybe as part of your application for HC you nominate groups of candidates that you may want to work with, that the organisation can negotiate with after the head appointment.
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@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
But why don't you appoint a head coach then work on recruiting the assistants.
So we would have had Deans in 2007 because Henry's point of difference was that he had Hansen and Smith in his corner. Deans had Pat Lam.
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@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Chris-B the other thing is, Rennie & Joseph knew the role was going to be up for grabs, assume they thought Fozzie would get it, or maybe Razor would, so didnt bother applying, then we were left with the 2 horse race we got...
The biggest problem there is that the ideal team would have been Robertson plus Rennie or Joseph, Brown, Robertson. That type of team would make it much harder for the NZRFU to go with Fozzie and ??
The problem was that neither Rennie (fucking traitor) nor Joseph really wanted the job, and that Brown didn't them join up with Robertson. Him by himself is just not attractive enough to make the big change.
It looks very attractive to me now,Robertson on his own, then I wouldn't have to go through years of limp arse performances and teams being named on a Friday BS selections and no game plan under an uninspiring coach in Foster.
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I have witnessed first hand the work the 2012 /13 Chiefs forwards did on a paddock away from the main training ground.These were scrum ,maul,body moving drills that got so intense we witnessed a punch up between two aggrieved participants.Speaking to the coach later he said he was pleased with both players attitude.One putting in a hard hit and the other retaliating.Win ,win he said. By the way Dave Rennie was nowhere to be seen.He would be working on his back plays before the forwards joined them,fired up and ready to go.
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@trodthesod who was the forwards coach at the Chiefs during that time?
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@ACT-Crusader Coventry. Current Blues forwards coach.
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@KiwiMurph said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@ACT-Crusader Coventry. Current Blues forwards coach.
Thanks. I wasnāt sure if Coventry was there from day 1 with Rennie.
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Rennie,Coventry ,Smith,Strawbridge,Hoeft
