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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    He makes some good points.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300161240/all-blacks-captain-sam-cane-responds-to-hateful-comments-from-brutal-fans

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    But also some rubbish ones

    “He’s given us really clear focusses of what we need to get better at, it doesn’t feel like we’re bogged down and don’t have the answers.”

    That is bollock cos the ABs haven’t had answers to an accurate rush defence combined with physicality since 2017 - that is what pisses me off most. They talked about this post Lions and in the run up to the RWC. Hansen, and Foster as often cos he was being groomed, said in interviews they had improvements and ideas that just need to bed in to beat that. Part of it was the two playmaker axis, necessitating moving our best ten to 15 (with DMac injured). But it hasn’t worked, doesn’t work - 3 or 4 fucking years!

    Foster IS out of ideas, cos he’s still using ones that are not upto it. Having continuity was great when on a roll, but having it when the ABs have hit a brick wall tactically against certain sides/styles, is not. And all Sam’s ‘people don’t understand much rugby’ is condescending bullshit. Even the Fern’s ‘zero insight’ has predicted this for ages - and been proven right.

    Sadly Foster will be here next year, unless we totally shit the bed against the Puma next match. So the next coach (Razor hopefully) will only have 2 years to pull the ABs from the brink of mediocrity - thankfully the Boks have shown it can be done with an inspirational coach and a razor focus on the the basics of rugby first. That is Razor to a tee

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    New Zealand drop to third in latest rankings.

    Wales drop to ninth.

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    @antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    New Zealand drop to third in latest rankings.

    Wales drop to ninth.

    Both were top at points last year.

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    @taniwharugby of course I have read the article but I have found some of the comments on here fairly distasteful after the weekend.

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    On the one hand we don't see what goes on behind the scenes. On the other hand - we do see the results of it.

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    @Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @taniwharugby of course I have read the article but I have found some of the comments on here fairly distasteful after the weekend.

    Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight
    Wrong about pretty much everything

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    @nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @taniwharugby of course I have read the article but I have found some of the comments on here fairly distasteful after the weekend.

    Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight
    Wrong about pretty much everything

    But right about Foster since late 2003 - BoP Mafia

    🙂

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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    @Donsteppa maybe Foster has made a number of changes to thier structure (that is not visible to the naked eye...) and the team is struggling to execute?

    Outside of that, I got nuffink

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    @chimoaus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    I guess from a glass is half full standpoint, at least we have some interesting years ahead seeing how we adapt and hopefully overcome these issues. I bet nobody thought the last Argie game would have so much riding on it. I really hope the Argies turn up again and bring the same game plan to see if our coaching staff produce a counter. I would hate for them to fall apart like the Wallabies did in Sydney which would tell us nothing.

    Funnily enough, I doubt we'll learn anything from the next Argie game; they'll likely still be enjoying their first win and will be on week 3 of tests each weekend, while our guys will be playing for their places (in some cases).

    The ABs generally respond very strongly to shock losses too, so we'll see plenty of passion, a greater intensity, and may even see a big win.

    However, these types of responses are to be expected - it's the shock losses that comes from poor preparation, bad selecting, and a weak game plan that are the root causes. This game won't tell us shit about those.

    In fact. if we put 50 points on the Argies it could be the worse thing for us, as it is likely to hide the ongoing issues.

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    @taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @Donsteppa maybe Foster has made a number of changes to thier structure (that is not visible to the naked eye...) and the team is struggling to execute?

    Outside of that, I got nuffink

    It's the cattle. World's best first five excepted of course :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:

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    @gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @Donsteppa maybe Foster has made a number of changes to thier structure (that is not visible to the naked eye...) and the team is struggling to execute?

    Outside of that, I got nuffink

    It's the cattle. World's best first five excepted of course :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:

    It's funny because I don't think anyone would argue our cattle is superior to what Australia and Argentina had available, yet we only won 40% of the time. I suspect the farmers of the inferior cattle knew a thing or two about farming.

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    @chimoaus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    @Donsteppa maybe Foster has made a number of changes to thier structure (that is not visible to the naked eye...) and the team is struggling to execute?

    Outside of that, I got nuffink

    It's the cattle. World's best first five excepted of course :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:

    It's funny because I don't think anyone would argue our cattle is superior to what Australia and Argentina had available, yet we only won 40% of the time. I suspect the farmers of the inferior cattle knew a thing or two about farming.

    I don't understand.

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    In that article Sam Cane says fans don't see what is going on behind the scenes but at the same time apparently players had tunnel vision and did not see opportunities around them.

    Conclusion: everyone in NZ is farkin blind but the ABs are fantastic at training. In the dark.

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    @nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    In that article Sam Cane says fans don't see what is going on behind the scenes but at the same time apparently players had tunnel vision and did not see opportunities around them.

    Conclusion: everyone in NZ is farkin blind but the ABs are fantastic at training. In the dark.

    He may be correct. Remember 2004...

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  • mariner4lifeM Online
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    That article is loser talk 101.

    "training really hard" is something i heard from teams like the Wallabies year after year. And it reminds me of the "best prepared Warriors team ever".

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    @mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    That article is loser talk 101.

    "training really hard" is something i heard from teams like the Wallabies year after year. And it reminds me of the "best prepared Warriors team ever".

    the great lies:
    'best offseason ever'

    'fittest we've ever been' '

    'I'll still love you in the morning'

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  • barbarianB Offline
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    #802

    My favourite is 'we learnt a lot from that loss'.

    Michael Hooper has a fkn PhD in losing to the All Blacks by now. An unquenchable thirst for knowledge. Bloke is learned as hell.

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  • mariner4lifeM Online
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    Also Sam, it's a bit rich we only seem to know fuck all about rugby when you are losing. When ABs are getting sucked off on line despite being no better than average in a good win, i bet you think they know a heap then.

    As for "not seeing what goes on during the week" perhaps if professional sporting organisations did a bit more than sit in front of sponsor backdrops and spew out meaningless cliche after meaningless cliche in a poor attempt at PR maybe we would be a little more informed? Oh look, you've had a honest video session. A great week of prep. Boys have been training the house down. Awesome. New and different this week then?

    Oh, okay, maybe i'll learn a bit more from an instagram post of a prop lifting weights #mondaymahi

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    @mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:

    That article is loser talk 101.

    "training really hard" is something i heard from teams like the Wallabies year after year. And it reminds me of the "best prepared Warriors team ever".

    Was the Blues mantra for a long time.

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