Coronavirus - UK
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I recall Chris Whitty saying testing passengers on arrival is ineffective as it won't pick up those who have been infected on the flight nor poss. those infected just before boarding the flight.
Best option is to quarantine and then test. Unclear how effectively that's being carried out.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I recall Chris Whitty saying testing passengers on arrival is ineffective as it won't pick up those who have been infected on the flight nor poss. those infected just before boarding the flight.
Best option is to quarantine and then test. Unclear how effectively that's being carried out.
Quarantine is effectively self-policed ie useless as a strategy.
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
I'm positive I read somewhere last night that 3 day negative test before flying to the UK was going to become mandatory.
But I can't find it now. Maybe I dreamt it. It's all a daze right now after I kept waking up to check on Kane through the night!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
I'm positive I read somewhere last night that 3 day negative test before flying to the UK was going to become mandatory.
But I can't find it now. Maybe I dreamt it. It's all a daze right now after I kept waking up to check on Kane through the night!
Sounds like something’s coming. Window dressing at this point.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
If everyone is in lockdown and arrivals will just go into lockdown anyway, it probably doesn't matter that much, but FFS, talk about not reading the room.
You're still allowed out even in Lockdown - shopping, work.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
A lockdown could eliminate the virus anywhere if it's strong enough and people comply for long enough.
The issue is that if it has to run for months to work mathematically because of the size of the starting numbers, hard to see how people will sustain it.
Side note, the UK lockdown looks like NZ's level 3. If the R value of that is 0.2, then it would take around 4-5 incubation cycles (i.e. 8-10 weeks) to reduce the current cases of 2.65 million to below 10,000, but obviously that assumes they know of all the current cases, which they probably don't, and that very few will come through the border in that time.
We'll never know, becuse once the most vulnerable have been vaccinated the measures will be relaxed.
But the mathematical point is correct. For various reasons a lockdown of three months is unviable. The only thing which is is social distancing.
Interesting to think about how one country would cope if no one else had it. Not sure the strategy of printing money would be treated quite so kindly in isolation by forex markets. At some point economics would play a part.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I recall Chris Whitty saying testing passengers on arrival is ineffective as it won't pick up those who have been infected on the flight nor poss. those infected just before boarding the flight.
Best option is to quarantine and then test. Unclear how effectively that's being carried out.
Also if a country has high infection rate already, letting visitors in isn't likely to make things worse. C.f. Muldoon's famous NZ to Oz comment.
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@Victor-Meldrew yea National here have been calling for testing before people get on a plane, given potential lag of positive results not sure how that works, even if person self isolates for 72 hours post test and then gets on a plane with other potentially infected people.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
For UK ferners, Chris Whitty was extremely good on today's Government briefing. Debunked a few myths.
Media useless as usual, though.
Loved his response to the useless journalist who queried whether vaccinating as many people as possible with a first dose was a sensible strategy:
"Well, it is if you do the basic maths...."
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew yea National here have been calling for testing before people get on a plane, given potential lag of positive results not sure how that works, even if person self isolates for 72 hours post test and then gets on a plane with other potentially infected people.
So often in his crisis, what sounds sensible actually isn't all that practical
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Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
My wife is helping at a hub and reckons number on system? Mind you not sure if NHS IT is user friendly?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew yea National here have been calling for testing before people get on a plane, given potential lag of positive results not sure how that works, even if person self isolates for 72 hours post test and then gets on a plane with other potentially infected people.
It ought to be OK if flying directly, but from e.g. UK think of time in transit, airport loos, etc.!
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@pakman but you get a test, results are not instant? So do you spend the night at the airport in iso or go home to self iso while waiting on results, then jump on a flight with other infected people, or are all travellers now being tested and confirmed negative before getting on a plane?
What about those who passed the test and werent infectious when tested, then become so at 30,000ft over Europe or when they get back on the plane at Singapore/Hong Kong/LA?
Unsure how true, but had seen a media report where people say in some places it can be a delay of days to get tested, meaning trying to organise a flight, quarantine and a test to line up with one another is nigh on impossible.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
My wife is helping at a hub and reckons number on system? Mind you not sure if NHS IT is user friendly?
It ought to be easy as your NHS number is quoted on any correspondence you may have received. I understand that the system works on the number which can be cross referenced with a name and address, d.o.b. etc but that takes time to input. Multiply that by the huge numbers that are to be vaccinated and you get an unnecessary bottleneck at point of vaccination.
Mind you the fact that you need your NHS number has not been widely reported.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
My wife is helping at a hub and reckons number on system? Mind you not sure if NHS IT is user friendly?
It ought to be easy as your NHS number is quoted on any correspondence you may have received. I understand that the system works on the number which can be cross referenced with a name and address, d.o.b. etc but that takes time to input. Multiply that by the huge numbers that are to be vaccinated and you get an unnecessary bottleneck at point of vaccination.
Mind you the fact that you need your NHS number has not been widely reported.
When I've had my Flu jabs, I've turned up with my letter or txt message and they simply checked the appointment reference against their list.
Assume people get a letter when they get notified of a jab?
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
How is this difficult?
How about having a convenient little card that fits in your wallet that you could take to places with you? ...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
My wife is helping at a hub and reckons number on system? Mind you not sure if NHS IT is user friendly?
It ought to be easy as your NHS number is quoted on any correspondence you may have received. I understand that the system works on the number which can be cross referenced with a name and address, d.o.b. etc but that takes time to input. Multiply that by the huge numbers that are to be vaccinated and you get an unnecessary bottleneck at point of vaccination.
Mind you the fact that you need your NHS number has not been widely reported.
When I've had my Flu jabs, I've turned up with my letter or txt message and they simply checked the appointment reference against their list.
Assume people get a letter when they get notified of a jab?
Not entirely sure how it works, just heard from NHS staff about the problem. Maybe people forget to bring their letter? I'd guess the difference between this and the flu jabs is the sheer numbers. What is a minor nuisance when doing a dozen or so a day becomes a significant problem when trying to do hundreds or thousands
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - UK:
How about having a convenient little card that fits in your wallet that you could take to places with you? ...
Think I have one in my wallet.