More from the 'Human's are Morons' Catelogue
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mokey" data-cid="563738" data-time="1457600652">
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<p>That poor baby. Having had meningitis myself, I can tell you the pain in your head is horrific, plus the fever, stiff neck, nausea etc.</p>
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<p>The parents should be thrown in a tar pit for the suffering that wee lad would have endured before he died. I mean maple syrup? Fuck me days.</p>
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<p>I had bacterial meningitis when I was 6. Luckily, I can't recall the various pains including the lumbar puncture. I was just pissed off that I missed my class's visit to the fire station.</p> -
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<p>I had bacterial meningitis when I was 6. Luckily, I can't recall the various pains including the lumbar puncture. I was just pissed off that I missed my class's visit to the fire station.</p>
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<p>Oh god, the lumbar puncture. The surgeon who did mine fucked it up and hit a nerve, was like getting a massive electric shock, and my legs flew from one side of the bed to the other. Out of the six medical students staring at me and robotically making notes, one sat down and chatted a little (about rugby of all things). Wherever he is, I'll bet he is fucking awesome doctor.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mokey" data-cid="563987" data-time="1457683236">
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<p>The surgeon who did mine fucked it up and hit a nerve, was like getting a massive electric shock, and my legs flew from one side of the bed to the other.</p>
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<p>Just to deviate massively</p>
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<p>I always wonder when people say this. Did he really fuck up or was it just bad luck, it's not like there is a map of nerves for him to avoid. It must be difficult as all hell to do that procedure. I always aire on the side of bad luck, but my wife thinks everyone is an incompetent fuck if they don't do it perfectly the first time. Same with taking blood etc...</p> -
<p>Yes mooshld, my wife (and now my kids are getting infected with it) is always on the side of "someone is to blame" and how often does this lead to "I should be compensated"? Makes me despair sometimes. Mistakes happen. Bad luck happens. Very little is exact and known and not subject to ordinary human error or the vagaries of life.</p>
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I think they must know almost exactly where they are trying to inject, otherwise are you saying they are just guessing and is luck when they get it right given the vast network of nerves, veins etc in the body.<br><br>
My wife had an epidural with TR Jnr and took a while to find the right spot, sadly this meant she had epidural headaches for about 4 days post birth and they are nasty, fortunately caffeine and sugar help alleviate them, not something you want a lactating women to need.... -
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I think they must know almost exactly where they are trying to inject, otherwise are you saying they are just guessing and is luck when they get it right given the vast network of nerves, veins etc in the body.<br><br>
My wife had an epidural with TR Jnr and took a while to find the right spot, sadly this meant she had epidural headaches for about 4 days post birth and they are nasty, fortunately caffeine and sugar help alleviate them, not something you want a lactating women to need....</p></blockquote>When my wife got an epidural they didn't get the right spot and it had no effect at all. She was not impressed lol. -
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<p>When my wife got an epidural they didn't get the right spot and it had no effect at all. She was not impressed lol.</p>
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<p>well it didnt have the desired effect on my wife, as they put it in the wrong spot, which caused the extra fluids putting pressure on the nerves, thats why they had to do it again.</p>
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<p>When I was living in the UK, I went running in the rain and slipped on some wet flint on a horse track and sliced my hand open...ended up at A & E for stitches and as the dude was starting to insert the needle to sew me up after a local, I said I could feel it, so he gave me more, still felt it, long story short, local didnt work, not allowed to give me more, sew me up with no anaesthetic aint too much fun</p> -
Midwifery attracts a decent amount of ferals and pro disease types, not surprised to see this<br>
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/78256343/Midwife-left-woman-to-bleed-out-in-preventable-death'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/78256343/Midwife-left-woman-to-bleed-out-in-preventable-death</a> -
<p>Based on our experience with our kids being born (both hospital births and by c-section) Midwives are amazing! </p>
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<p>They get buggar all pay, and so they spend all that time with the mother leading to the birth, if they hand it over to a Dr for the birth, they dont get the fee (least thats how it worked when TR Jnr was born) </p>
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<p>So our midwife worked her ass off, spent numerous hours (>48 for #1 and >15 for #2) at hospital while my wife was in labout only for both to be born by c-section (with one at 9pd 14 and the other at 10pd 5, was always on the cards) she got no fee, but never did we feel she was jeopardising my wife of unborn childs safety for the sake of a fee.</p>
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My sister in law is a midwife , the money is average and the hours suck . Having seen the other midwives she knows it does seem to attract more than its share of ferals , pro disease types and weirdos like the woman in the article above . <br>
When Helen Clark was minister of health in the Lange government she started the process to push doctors out of the process.<br><br>
When Jegga Jr. was born the midwife did bugger all, he was a c section . She did give me a prescription for a nine month supply of condoms, my suggestions that you have to use a prescription the way the health professional told you too got an extremely negative reception . -
<p>In 2011 North and South had an article about the fuckups midwives had made mostly due to them treating doctors as a last resort, the midwives council complained about the magazine cover but refused to debate the facts of the article-because they didn't have a leg to stand on. You can read the idiotic complaints they made here</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10738247'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10738247</a></p>
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<p>I know by and large they do a great job but the more feral among them have politicised childbirth and the result is needless deaths like the woman I mentioned first.</p> -
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When Helen Clark was minister of health in the Lange government she started the process to push doctors out of the process.<br>
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<p>Ah, so you're David Farrar and not Whaleoil. ;)</p>
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<p>Based on our experience with our kids being born (both hospital births and by c-section) Midwives are amazing! </p>
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<p>They get buggar all pay, and so they spend all that time with the mother leading to the birth, if they hand it over to a Dr for the birth, <strong>they dont get the fee (least thats how it worked when TR Jnr was born) </strong></p>
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<p>So our midwife worked her ass off, spent numerous hours (>48 for #1 and >15 for #2) at hospital while my wife was in labout only for both to be born by c-section (with one at 9pd 14 and the other at 10pd 5, was always on the cards) she got no fee, but never did we feel she was jeopardising my wife of unborn childs safety for the sake of a fee.</p>
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<p>Those that do mid-wifery dont do so for the money! </p>
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<p>They get fees for the steps along the way and IIRC they still get some sort of compensation if present for the birth (deep in my files somewhere I've got the fee schedule from work I did in this area a few years back - I'll try find them tomorrow).</p>
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<p>I think the implication* that midwives would put the life of the baby (and mother) in danger to keep the birth fee is frankly bullshit. Yeah you might get the occasional one or two who think they don't need to go up the chain like the stupid biddy Jegga posted about above, but that happens in all sectors of the medical profession.</p>
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<p>*Not saying you're implying that.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="564161" data-time="1457768037">
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<p>well it didnt have the desired effect on my wife, as they put it in the wrong spot, which caused the extra fluids putting pressure on the nerves, thats why they had to do it again.</p>
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<p>When I was living in the UK, I went running in the rain and slipped on some wet flint on a horse track and sliced my hand open...<strong>ended up at A & E for stitches and as the dude was starting to insert the needle to sew me up after a local, I said I could feel it, so he gave me more, still felt it, long story short, local didnt work, not allowed to give me more, sew me up with no anaesthetic aint too much fun</strong></p>
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<p>I got a local anaesthetic for a deep cut on my cheek, it was the most painful experience I've ever had. I'm not certain that 6 or so pokes with a syringe wasn't more painful than just getting the stitches, I still flippin felt the stitches. I was at a private A&E in Christchurch with a dimwit English doctor who also sent me how with a broken ankle saying it was fine. </p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="566998" data-time="1458814176">
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<p>Ah, so you're David Farrar and not Whaleoil. ;)</p>
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<p>They get fees for the steps along the way and IIRC they still get some sort of compensation if present for the birth (deep in my files somewhere I've got the fee schedule from work I did in this area a few years back - I'll try find them tomorrow).</p>
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<p>I think the implication* that midwives would put the life of the baby (and mother) in danger to keep the birth fee is frankly bullshit. Yeah you might get the occasional one or two who think they don't need to go up the chain like the stupid biddy Jegga posted about above, but that happens in all sectors of the medical profession.</p>
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<p>*Not saying you're implying that.</p>
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<p>Not sure why you addded the Farrer accusation there. Apparently you know imagine I look like the penguin from Batman. cheers for that.</p>
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<p>Yeah there are different fees because they quite often cover each others births because its not possible for your midwife to be available 100% of the time, I'm glad you added that I wasn't implying that she was trying to keep the birth fee. I know some north and south articles are available online so that one might interest you, most midwives do a great job but as the article pointed out theres a few ferals in there that have their own agendas.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/68674972/discredited-vaccine-advice-endangers-babies.html'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/68674972/discredited-vaccine-advice-endangers-babies.html</a></p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11507845'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11507845</a></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="567003" data-time="1458815026">
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<p><strong>Not sure why you addded the Farrer accusation there.</strong> Apparently you know imagine I look like the penguin from Batman. cheers for that.</p>
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<p>Yeah there are different fees because they quite often cover each others births because its not possible for your midwife to be available 100% of the time, I'm glad you added that I wasn't implying that she was trying to keep the birth fee. I know some north and south articles are available online so that one might interest you, most midwives do a great job but as the article pointed out theres a few ferals in there that have their own agendas.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/68674972/discredited-vaccine-advice-endangers-babies.html'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/68674972/discredited-vaccine-advice-endangers-babies.html</a></p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11507845'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11507845</a></p>
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<p>That bolded bit was almost exactly the same as a from a comment from on Farrar's blog. Sheesh, it's a rough one, being imagined as the Penguin or as Slater, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, so apologies ;). </p>
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<p>As you note, most midwives do a great job (and you know we have the same views on anti-vacc), but you seem to be pushing the ferals to the forefront.</p> -
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<p>That bolded bit was almost exactly the same as a from a comment from on Farrar's blog. Sheesh, it's a rough one, being imagined as the Penguin or as Slater, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, so apologies ;). </p>
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<p>As you note, most midwives do a great job (and you know we have the same views on anti-vacc), but you seem to be pushing the ferals to the forefront.</p>
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<p>Apology accepted.</p>
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<p>I wish I could give you a link to the N and S article , it was a real eye opener . Suffice to say the feral element didn't come out of it well hence the complaint only being about the cover not the actual content of the article.</p> -
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<p>Ah, so you're David Farrar and not Whaleoil. ;)</p>
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<p>They get fees for the steps along the way and IIRC they still get some sort of compensation if present for the birth (deep in my files somewhere I've got the fee schedule from work I did in this area a few years back - I'll try find them tomorrow).</p>
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<p>I think the implication* that midwives would put the life of the baby (and mother) in danger to keep the birth fee is frankly bullshit. Yeah you might get the occasional one or two who think they don't need to go up the chain like the stupid biddy Jegga posted about above, but that happens in all sectors of the medical profession.</p>
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<p>*Not saying you're implying that.</p>
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<p><strong>I got a local anaesthetic for a deep cut on my cheek, it was the most painful experience I've ever had.</strong> I'm not certain that 6 or so pokes with a syringe wasn't more painful than just getting the stitches, I still flippin felt the stitches. I was at a private A&E in Christchurch with a dimwit English doctor who also sent me how with a broken ankle saying it was fine. </p>
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<p>Totally agree with that. I've sometimes felt that a bit of rolled up leather in the mouth and just getting on with it would probably be less painful in the long run.</p>
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<p>As for mid-wives, the ones we had were amazing. Fark childbirth is a surreal experience.</p> -
<p>You must have a bloody good memory Rancid.</p>
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<p>Sorry mate that one went right over my head.</p>
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<p>If you remember experiencing childbirth.</p>
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<p>But of course you've now sort of spoiled my pedantry.</p>
