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    @KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:

    “I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.

    “I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.

    “I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.

    “It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.

    “My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.

    “I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.

    “I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”

    “I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    replied to barbarian on last edited by
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    @barbarian Good comments.

    He'll be wanting his actions (or in some cases lack of actions) to do the talking in Brisbane.

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  • NTAN Offline
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    Paine for me is a cultural touchstone with Langer in this team. The two of them landed in the job together and were a key part of turning that around. Certainly Langer loves the bloke.

    It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.

    I don't necessarily buy into a team being better than the sum of its parts, but having the right balance is important.

    Hypothetically, if you put Watling in as keeper, who is the captain? What does that do to the balance and organisation of the team? Could BJ perform in the same way if he doesn't have Taylor, Boult, Williamson etc. around him?

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    replied to NTA on last edited by
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    @NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions

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    @canefan said in Australia v India:

    @NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions

    Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.

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    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    @canefan said in Australia v India:

    @NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions

    Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.

    Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-1183532/full-scorecard

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-1183533/full-scorecard

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-3rd-test-1183534/full-scorecard

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    replied to NTA on last edited by
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    @NTA gee thanks, I'd forgotten about that....

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    @NTA said in Australia v India:

    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    @canefan said in Australia v India:

    @NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions

    Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.

    Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-1183532/full-scorecard

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-1183533/full-scorecard

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-3rd-test-1183534/full-scorecard

    Bad prep, everyone knows that.

    Watling > Paine

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    @NTA said in Australia v India:

    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    @canefan said in Australia v India:

    @NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions

    Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.

    Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-1183532/full-scorecard

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-1183533/full-scorecard

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/australia-vs-new-zealand-3rd-test-1183534/full-scorecard

    You know psychological abuse is still abuse right?

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    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    Bad prep, everyone knows that.

    "Mental Disintegration"

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  • canefanC Online
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    replied to NTA on last edited by
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    @NTA said in Australia v India:

    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    Bad prep, everyone knows that.

    "Mental Disintegration"

    I think the word you want is perish

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    replied to NTA on last edited by
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    @NTA said in Australia v India:

    It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.

    Agree, a custodian of the game like Watling would never fit into the Aus culture

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  • SiamS Offline
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    replied to barbarian on last edited by
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    @barbarian said in Australia v India:

    @KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:

    “I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.

    “I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.

    “I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.

    “It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.

    “My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.

    “I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.

    “I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”

    “I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”

    That's an excellent response. No tears I presume 😉

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  • canefanC Online
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    replied to Siam on last edited by
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    @Siam said in Australia v India:

    @barbarian said in Australia v India:

    @KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:

    “I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.

    “I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.

    “I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.

    “It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.

    “My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.

    “I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.

    “I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”

    “I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”

    That's an excellent response. No tears I presume 😉

    Honest contrition is the best strategy

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  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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    replied to barbarian on last edited by
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    @barbarian could be a politician with an apology like that...😉

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  • MN5M Online
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    replied to NTA on last edited by
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    @NTA said in Australia v India:

    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    Bad prep, everyone knows that.

    "Mental Disintegration"

    Steve Waugh is that you ?

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  • NTAN Offline
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    replied to MN5 on last edited by
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    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    @NTA said in Australia v India:

    @MN5 said in Australia v India:

    Bad prep, everyone knows that.

    "Mental Disintegration"

    Steve Waugh is that you ?

    I wish.

    YOU wish - "Hey remember that time I was having a beer with Steve Waugh in downtown Welly?"

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  • barbarianB Offline
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    barbarian
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    And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:

    By the last day of any Test, the marks have been dug into trenches. Anyone walking to the crease can clearly see them. Players still take guard again, because that’s part of feeling settled and ready to face the bowling. But the marks themselves are clear.
    
    Then there is the matter of what a fifth-day pitch is made of. Unwatered throughout, baking in the sun, the batting ends have been so well trodden that not a blade of grass remains. The turf has turned to bare hard clay. The marks from earlier days are set.
    
    At this point, it is literally impossible for a player to remove the principal batting marks with four scrapes of a boot. It would require calling the ground staff for some excavation tools. Perhaps you could remove a mark on a soft English pitch on day one. Not an Australian pitch on day five.
    
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  • NTAN Offline
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    replied to barbarian on last edited by
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    @barbarian said in Australia v India:

    And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:

    Well you would say that, you filthy convict. #underarm #neverforget

    (Just getting in before everyone else 😎 )

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  • SnowyS Offline
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    @barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?

    Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.

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