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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
Can’t disagree with the top 5. Even the order works for me.
He’s got just two out and out bowlers in his top ten. Only one other turned the arm over with any regularity. Not sure how fair that is but then again it’s just ones blokes opinion.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
Both am is a funny one. For many years he was the nuts but this being England a golden boy never gets dropped no matter how poor his performances have become.
See also: David Beckham, Bobby Charlton. Jonny Wilkinson would have joined that list but had better self-awareness.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
Sobers then Kaliss one and two.Sobers and Kallis were both batting legends but only “good” bowlers whereas the others were pretty much the other way round.
Interesting he has four West Indians in his top ten, quite rightly, all absolute greats but pretty staggering when you consider the state of their team nowadays.
He certainly wasn’t a fan of his contemporary opening batsmen, I know he clashed with Gooch personally and perhaps he found Boycott too boring.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
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@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.
Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.
Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.
He is still playing domestic for Otago and putting up solid numbers. He did play a T20 in Sri Lanka at the end of 2019 but I don't he'll be playing for the Black Caps again anytime soon.
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@booboo said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
Difficult to disagree, but I'd have swapped BMac and Astle in the order.
Believe it or not of all of them I reckon Cairns is the one I might get rid of. Whilst his test record was excellent his ODI figures of 29 and 32 respectively aren’t brilliant. He did have some very memorable moments though. Harris and Oram are possibly worth a shout though.
Shit Taylor has a brilliant ODI record. Even better than his very impressive test record.
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@booboo said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
Difficult to disagree, but I'd have swapped BMac and Astle in the order.
BMac to open if batting first and bat lower order if chasing IMO. It always should have been that way.
Flem relative to his contemporaries is better than Guppy IMO but obviously antiquated in the current game.
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@godder said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
The list is a bit muddied by being all white ball cricket, so in that context, BMac opening has more going for it. I'd have Neesham in contention as well, he's one of our great T20 exponents.
Taylor is NZ's greatest ODI batsman.
He is, extraordinary World class record as good or better than loads of international class players from other nations.
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@rotated said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@godder said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
Taylor is NZ's greatest ODI batsman.
Crowe.
Na, ( but I’ll always remember the 92 WC so fondly )
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