Cricket - Best ever etc
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@Gunner said in Modern batting averages:
I created the best ever XI polls for test and ODI team's 4 or 5 years ago... can't seem to find the threads - anyone?
Would certainly be a worthwhile exercise doing again, some of the current team would certainly have enhanced their cases for inclusion.
I'll try and get it organised over the next few days, unless someone else has time on their hands and wants to do it?
Definitely. Watling, Wagner and Latham are all worth a shout compared to a few years back.
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@Gunner said in Modern batting averages:
I created the best ever XI polls for test and ODI team's 4 or 5 years ago... can't seem to find the threads - anyone?
If it's older than 2016 it'll be gone. We had to purge most threads when changing forum software
@Gunner said in Modern batting averages:
Would certainly be a worthwhile exercise doing again, some of the current team would certainly have enhanced their cases for inclusion.
I'll try and get it organised over the next few days, unless someone else has time on their hands and wants to do it?
Yeah good idea. I've made a sub forum for this: https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/category/55/best-cricket-xi
You're a mod in that sub forum. So make up whatever rules you want
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Saw this on FB, may as well post it here.....
50 greatest Cricketers of all time as per David Gower....
- Sir Don Bradman
- Sir Garfield Sobers
- Sachin Tendulkar
- Shane Warne
- Sir Viv Richards
- Brian Lara
- Sir Jack Hobbs
- Wally Hammond
- Malcolm Marshall
- W.G. Grace
- Imran Khan
- Sir Ian Botham
- Sydney Barnes
- Jacques Kallis
- Barry Richards
- Dennis Lillee
- Sir Len Hutton
- Wilfred Rhodes
- Richie Benaud
- Denis Compton
- Keith Miller
- Bill O' Reilly
- Sir Andy Roberts
- Sir Richard Hadlee
- Graeme Pollock
- Sunil Gavaskar
- Wasim Akram
- Allan Border
- Glenn McGrath
- Muttiah Muralitharan
- George Headley
- Sir Curtly Ambrose
- Javed Miandad
- Ricky Ponting
- Sir Frank Worrell
- Herbert Sutcliffe
- Greg Chappell
- Fred Trueman
- AB De Villiers
- Dale Steyn
- Kumar Sangakkara
- Adam Gilchrist
- Ray Lindwall
- Harold Larwood
- Joel Garner
- Virender Sehwag
- Kevin Pietersen
- Kapil Dev
- Jeff Thomson
- Alan Knott
Off the top of my head I’d say Andy Roberts is too high....also no Gooch, S Waugh, S Pollock or Younis. One NZer is pretty standard, KW will join this list when he retires.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
Can’t disagree with the top 5. Even the order works for me.
He’s got just two out and out bowlers in his top ten. Only one other turned the arm over with any regularity. Not sure how fair that is but then again it’s just ones blokes opinion.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
Sobers then Kaliss one and two. -
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
Both am is a funny one. For many years he was the nuts but this being England a golden boy never gets dropped no matter how poor his performances have become.
See also: David Beckham, Bobby Charlton. Jonny Wilkinson would have joined that list but had better self-awareness.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
Sobers then Kaliss one and two.Sobers and Kallis were both batting legends but only “good” bowlers whereas the others were pretty much the other way round.
Interesting he has four West Indians in his top ten, quite rightly, all absolute greats but pretty staggering when you consider the state of their team nowadays.
He certainly wasn’t a fan of his contemporary opening batsmen, I know he clashed with Gooch personally and perhaps he found Boycott too boring.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
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@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.
Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.
Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.
He is still playing domestic for Otago and putting up solid numbers. He did play a T20 in Sri Lanka at the end of 2019 but I don't he'll be playing for the Black Caps again anytime soon.
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