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    @Gunner I went looking for them as well, presumably they didn't make the transition to the new board software. Sounds like a good plan if you're keen!

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    @Gunner said in Modern batting averages:

    I created the best ever XI polls for test and ODI team's 4 or 5 years ago... can't seem to find the threads - anyone?

    Would certainly be a worthwhile exercise doing again, some of the current team would certainly have enhanced their cases for inclusion.

    I'll try and get it organised over the next few days, unless someone else has time on their hands and wants to do it?

    Definitely. Watling, Wagner and Latham are all worth a shout compared to a few years back.

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    @Gunner said in Modern batting averages:

    I created the best ever XI polls for test and ODI team's 4 or 5 years ago... can't seem to find the threads - anyone?

    If it's older than 2016 it'll be gone. We had to purge most threads when changing forum software


    @Gunner said in Modern batting averages:

    Would certainly be a worthwhile exercise doing again, some of the current team would certainly have enhanced their cases for inclusion.

    I'll try and get it organised over the next few days, unless someone else has time on their hands and wants to do it?

    Yeah good idea. I've made a sub forum for this: https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/category/55/best-cricket-xi

    You're a mod in that sub forum. So make up whatever rules you want

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    @Duluth no backing out now huh...

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    Saw this on FB, may as well post it here.....

    50 greatest Cricketers of all time as per David Gower....

    1. Sir Don Bradman
    2. Sir Garfield Sobers
    3. Sachin Tendulkar
    4. Shane Warne
    5. Sir Viv Richards
    6. Brian Lara
    7. Sir Jack Hobbs
    8. Wally Hammond
    9. Malcolm Marshall
    10. W.G. Grace
    11. Imran Khan
    12. Sir Ian Botham
    13. Sydney Barnes
    14. Jacques Kallis
    15. Barry Richards
    16. Dennis Lillee
    17. Sir Len Hutton
    18. Wilfred Rhodes
    19. Richie Benaud
    20. Denis Compton
    21. Keith Miller
    22. Bill O' Reilly
    23. Sir Andy Roberts
    24. Sir Richard Hadlee
    25. Graeme Pollock
    26. Sunil Gavaskar
    27. Wasim Akram
    28. Allan Border
    29. Glenn McGrath
    30. Muttiah Muralitharan
    31. George Headley
    32. Sir Curtly Ambrose
    33. Javed Miandad
    34. Ricky Ponting
    35. Sir Frank Worrell
    36. Herbert Sutcliffe
    37. Greg Chappell
    38. Fred Trueman
    39. AB De Villiers
    40. Dale Steyn
    41. Kumar Sangakkara
    42. Adam Gilchrist
    43. Ray Lindwall
    44. Harold Larwood
    45. Joel Garner
    46. Virender Sehwag
    47. Kevin Pietersen
    48. Kapil Dev
    49. Jeff Thomson
    50. Alan Knott

    Off the top of my head I’d say Andy Roberts is too high....also no Gooch, S Waugh, S Pollock or Younis. One NZer is pretty standard, KW will join this list when he retires.

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    @mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.

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    Can’t disagree with the top 5. Even the order works for me.

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    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.

    Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )

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    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    Can’t disagree with the top 5. Even the order works for me.

    He’s got just two out and out bowlers in his top ten. Only one other turned the arm over with any regularity. Not sure how fair that is but then again it’s just ones blokes opinion.

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    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.

    Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )

    The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense

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    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.

    Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )

    The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense

    Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).

    Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.

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    @Crucial not sure how Andy Roberts makes it at 23 and his contemporary who most rate as better ( Michael Holding ) doesn’t make it at all. I wonder what that rationale is ?

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    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.

    Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )

    The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense

    Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).

    Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.

    From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
    Sobers then Kaliss one and two.

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    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.

    Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )

    The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense

    Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).

    Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.

    Both am is a funny one. For many years he was the nuts but this being England a golden boy never gets dropped no matter how poor his performances have become.

    See also: David Beckham, Bobby Charlton. Jonny Wilkinson would have joined that list but had better self-awareness.

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    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.

    Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )

    The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense

    Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).

    Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.

    From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
    Sobers then Kaliss one and two.

    Sobers and Kallis were both batting legends but only “good” bowlers whereas the others were pretty much the other way round.

    Interesting he has four West Indians in his top ten, quite rightly, all absolute greats but pretty staggering when you consider the state of their team nowadays.

    He certainly wasn’t a fan of his contemporary opening batsmen, I know he clashed with Gooch personally and perhaps he found Boycott too boring.

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    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

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    Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......

    Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.

    True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?

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    @rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:

    Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......

    Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.

    True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?

    Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.

    Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.

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    @mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:

    @rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:

    Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......

    Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.

    True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?

    Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.

    Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.

    He is still playing domestic for Otago and putting up solid numbers. He did play a T20 in Sri Lanka at the end of 2019 but I don't he'll be playing for the Black Caps again anytime soon.

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    Stuff
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    @mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:

    Stuff

    Difficult to disagree, but I'd have swapped BMac and Astle in the order.

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