Black Lives Matter
-
Interesting summary of the Chauvin trial here (via Kiwiblog):
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/the-chauvin-trial-so-far.php
-
@snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@jc Know it all's unite.
Unfortunately the motto is:
"Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight
Wrong about pretty much everything"That is likely to include Minnesota law.
Don't turn our motto back on us!
-
@nzzp said in Black Lives Matter:
Interesting summary of the Chauvin trial here (via Kiwiblog):
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/the-chauvin-trial-so-far.php
That's a pretty useful summary. Worth reading and following to get an idea of the trial in the context of the jury's role. A role that might decide where the US goes from here
-
-
@jc said in Black Lives Matter:
@snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@jc Know it all's unite.
Unfortunately the motto is:
"Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight
Wrong about pretty much everything"We're just as likely to be wrong about the motto as anything else.
Very philosophical. Are we wrong about being wrong, or are we just wrong?
-
surely 'reasonable' comes into play here. Was it reasonable to assume he needed his knee on his neck for those 9 or so minutes?
-
@nostrildamus said in Black Lives Matter:
surely 'reasonable' comes into play here. Was it reasonable to assume he needed his knee on his neck for those 9 or so minutes?
Yes. That very word was mentioned in one of my earlier posts.
-
Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I've just seen the video and properly heard the story about Daunte Wright.
I mean, what the? After 26 years on the force how do you mistake your gun on one hip, for your taser on another? Surely they also feel quite different in the hand and then look quite different when you aim up...
I find it really hard to buy the mistake line. Moment of thoughtless madness?
Edit: it also seemed like even hurriedly firing a taser might have been a bit much in the situation, but hard to judge from a couple seconds of vid.
And did I see right that she somehow ended up without the gun?
-
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I've just seen the video and properly heard the story about Daunte Wright.
I mean, what the? After 26 years on the force how do you mistake your gun on one hip, for your taser on another? Surely they also feel quite different in the hand and then look quite different when you aim up...
I find it really hard to buy the mistake line. Moment of thoughtless madness?
Edit: it also seemed like even hurriedly firing a taser might have been a bit much in the situation, but hard to judge from a couple seconds of vid.
And did I see right that she somehow ended up without the gun?
It's actually not that hard to get mixed up. I have seen it done in training, and once I did it at change of shift. Someone asked for my Taser and I got my gun out and practically handed it to him before realising.
If it can happen in training it can definitely happen when it's squeaky but time.
-
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
-
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
-
@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
-
@crazy-horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I've just seen the video and properly heard the story about Daunte Wright.
I mean, what the? After 26 years on the force how do you mistake your gun on one hip, for your taser on another? Surely they also feel quite different in the hand and then look quite different when you aim up...
I find it really hard to buy the mistake line. Moment of thoughtless madness?
Edit: it also seemed like even hurriedly firing a taser might have been a bit much in the situation, but hard to judge from a couple seconds of vid.
And did I see right that she somehow ended up without the gun?
It's actually not that hard to get mixed up. I have seen it done in training, and once I did it at change of shift. Someone asked for my Taser and I got my gun out and practically handed it to him before realising.
If it can happen in training it can definitely happen when it's squeaky but time.
Yeah, hard to read anything into this other than a tragic accident judging by her immediate reaction and shock. You could perhaps argue carelessness. If the situation only warranted a taser, and that was to stop him (he wasn't being aggressive) then it shouldn't have been such a frantic situation that you couldn't check.
I watched the video and it is unclear if the cop that did the shooting pulled the weapon at the last moment or had already pulled it. That could make a difference in that she pulled the gun then started thinking taser and got confused.
Just shows how fucked up the US is that police even feel the need to be pulling any weapons in such a benign situation. If they had stepped back and talked he would have driven off. Big fucking deal.
They must think Police 10-7 in NZ is a comedy. I've seen scrotes on that actually pushing and taking swings at cops and they still just de-escalate the situation as priority. -
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
It's taser on opposite side. The taser manufacturers do everything they can to give you clues as to what you have grabbed. Colour, shape. no safety, different style of trigger.
From what I have seen though many cops wear the taser and gun so close together (more in the front) that you both are easily reached by the dominant hand without effort. -
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
It's a proper brain fart for sure. I would hope if I grabbed the wrong one I would realise before it was too late, but the mind and body does weird things under pressure.
The last couple of years our training has incorporated quick drills where we are deciding whether to draw the taser or the glock while under pressure. Muscle memory is fine to have, but it has to work in conjunction with the brain and chose the right muscle memory to activate.
I wonder what sort of training she has had in her 20 odd years? That will come out in the court case I suppose.
A wee war story. When things go to shit it's crazy what you sometimes end up doing. I remember one night fighting with a guy on the ground and I had a wrist lock on him. I was cranking it up big time, but it was having no effect. His girlfriend was in the middle of the wrestle and she was screaming her head off. I kept cranking the wrist lock, harder and harder. Nothing happened except the girl kept screaming I couldn't work out what was happening. The guy was getting out of control. Then my partner realised I had the wrist lock on the girl....
I guess what I am saying is brain farts happen. This one ended in tragedy. Every cop's nightmare, not to mention the poor guy who lost his life and his family who have been left behind.
-
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
It's taser on opposite side. The taser manufacturers do everything they can to give you clues as to what you have grabbed. Colour, shape. no safety, different style of trigger.
From what I have seen though many cops wear the taser and gun so close together (more in the front) that you both are easily reached by the dominant hand without effort.We wear the glock on the dominant side and the taser on the other. To draw the taser you reach across your body. We have to wear it that way.
-
@crazy-horse said in Black Lives Matter:
I had the wrist lock on the girl
Muscle memory eh.
The other thing I didn't see properly - had they already got the cuffs on this guy properly?
-
@crazy-horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
It's taser on opposite side. The taser manufacturers do everything they can to give you clues as to what you have grabbed. Colour, shape. no safety, different style of trigger.
From what I have seen though many cops wear the taser and gun so close together (more in the front) that you both are easily reached by the dominant hand without effort.We wear the glock on the dominant side and the taser on the other. To draw the taser you reach across your body. We have to wear it that way.
Yep. That’s what I was trying to say. I have also seen photos where although the “rules” are followed the taser is more on the front of the non dominant side meaning that you don’t reach far.