Black Lives Matter
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@mikethesnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@tim yeah you're right, didn't get the cuffs on. Video is kinda graphic, but not bad.
I just don't get why the fuck people resist arrest and cuffing.
Asking for something to go wrong, often very wrong.
Um, because once they cuff you it makes it easier to stand on your neck??? The situation is so messed up there, massive distrust between cops and people, victims on both sides (I recall the cop who got shot through the window during a routine stop), no easy end in sight
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@mikethesnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@tim yeah you're right, didn't get the cuffs on. Video is kinda graphic, but not bad.
I just don't get why the fuck people resist arrest and cuffing.
Asking for something to go wrong, often very wrong.
Um, because once they cuff you it makes it easier to stand on your neck??? The situation is so messed up there, massive distrust between cops and people, victims on both sides (I recall the cop who got shot through the window during a routine stop), no easy end in sight
fuck no, is there an end even possible?
Police in America have a fucking nigh on impossible job. The pressure they are under must be immense. From what i understand they are also understaffed and undertrained.
Large areas of urban poverty which equals high crime. Guns fucking everywhere, and people willing to use them. You couldn't pay me enough to take that job on.
And then the shitty flip side. The same people who will support them the hardest will turn on them. If senior policing officials came out and said "guys, the biggest problem is the number of guns in the community. we get rid of those, a lot of this changes" those same supporters will turn on them in a second. So that's out.
From what i read (and up front, obviously i don't live there, i get all this from various media) there is zero inclination for those in power to do anything about it. So we will be left with an ever increasing divide, and two sides yelling "black people are criminals who should just stop being criminals / all cops are racist thugs who are on a power trip"
America is fucked up country
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Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
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@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
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@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
He'll have a decent case to say he didn't get a fair trial given elected officials public statements and encouragement of unrest should the verdict not go the way they wanted it. They just needed to shut the fuck up and let the case complete before mouthing off like that.
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@no-quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
He'll have a decent case to say he didn't get a fair trial given elected officials public statements and encouragement of unrest should the verdict not go the way they wanted it. They just needed to shut the fuck up and let the case complete before mouthing off like that.
politicians not doing dumb shit for their own ends? that is asking far too much
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@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@no-quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
He'll have a decent case to say he didn't get a fair trial given elected officials public statements and encouragement of unrest should the verdict not go the way they wanted it. They just needed to shut the fuck up and let the case complete before mouthing off like that.
politicians not doing dumb shit for their own ends? that is asking far too much
I saw a Thomas Sowell quote the other day, paraphrasing "There is nothing so good that politicians can't make it bad, and there is nothing so bad that politicians can't make it worse"
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@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
excellent way to look at it, well done
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@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
Everything I have read, which is the bulk of the stuff posted here, indicates to me that the 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges are entirely appropriate. The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
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Some of this is a bit weird (regarding the law) and the sentencing even more so.
"By finding him guilty of second-degree murder, the jury decided that Chauvin committed a felony by assaulting Floyd and contributed substantially to his death."
"By finding Chauvin guilty of third-degree murder, the jury determined that Chauvin acted with a “depraved mind,” meaning he acted with reckless disregard for Floyd’s life. This charge doesn’t indicate intent or that Chauvin committed assault against Floyd."
"Second-degree manslaughter means that Chauvin was found guilty of having taken a conscious risk with Floyd’s life that resulted in his death."So he took a "conscious risk" that killed someone and yet had a "depraved mind". In spite of my own posts earlier about depraved mind legalese, I can't reconcile those two.
Sentencing might be more interesting than the trial. Some hefty penalties - looking at 40 years, realistically 12. Then when does the rioting start?
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
Yep. Serving and protecting might have been a better option. I don't think Floyd was endangering anyone at the time.
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
I don't think it is, given what I have read. It seems more obvious than 3rd degree which is weird, as I said earlier.
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@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
Of the one person? Who the fuck instructed that jury?
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@snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
Yep. Serving and protecting might have been a better option. I don't think Floyd was endangering anyone at the time.
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
I don't think it is, given what I have read. It seems more obvious than 3rd degree which is weird, as I said earlier.
Well, if you take evidence of a "depraved mind" as having "acted with reckless disregard for Floyd’s life" then that's pretty hard to dismiss?
I think you can act consciously and recklessly at the same time. Reading the exerts you posted earlier, I'd think that 2nd and 3rd both appear logical
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@snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served,
Rightly or wrongly, that is the way the court saw it.
I haven't made a judgement call on the verdict. I get that you can infer I have but it's an objective statement.
My concern has never been for Chauvin. My concern is 12 months of rioting because of racism.
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@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
excellent way to look at it, well done
Is this sarcasm? If so why?
I've stated that justice has been played out, no judgement call at all. -
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
Everything I have read, which is the bulk of the stuff posted here, indicates to me that the 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges are entirely appropriate. The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
None of it is debatable. It went through the court, a jury gave a verdict. That's the system. I'm not disagreeing with anything, just playing the whistle
Now, how can the rioting be eased? And the argument of was Chauvin racist is far from settled.