Black Lives Matter
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@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
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@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
He'll have a decent case to say he didn't get a fair trial given elected officials public statements and encouragement of unrest should the verdict not go the way they wanted it. They just needed to shut the fuck up and let the case complete before mouthing off like that.
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@no-quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
He'll have a decent case to say he didn't get a fair trial given elected officials public statements and encouragement of unrest should the verdict not go the way they wanted it. They just needed to shut the fuck up and let the case complete before mouthing off like that.
politicians not doing dumb shit for their own ends? that is asking far too much
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@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@no-quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
good
but, in the eyes of the law, surely there will be an appeal.
He'll have a decent case to say he didn't get a fair trial given elected officials public statements and encouragement of unrest should the verdict not go the way they wanted it. They just needed to shut the fuck up and let the case complete before mouthing off like that.
politicians not doing dumb shit for their own ends? that is asking far too much
I saw a Thomas Sowell quote the other day, paraphrasing "There is nothing so good that politicians can't make it bad, and there is nothing so bad that politicians can't make it worse"
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@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
excellent way to look at it, well done
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@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
Everything I have read, which is the bulk of the stuff posted here, indicates to me that the 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges are entirely appropriate. The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
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Some of this is a bit weird (regarding the law) and the sentencing even more so.
"By finding him guilty of second-degree murder, the jury decided that Chauvin committed a felony by assaulting Floyd and contributed substantially to his death."
"By finding Chauvin guilty of third-degree murder, the jury determined that Chauvin acted with a “depraved mind,” meaning he acted with reckless disregard for Floyd’s life. This charge doesn’t indicate intent or that Chauvin committed assault against Floyd."
"Second-degree manslaughter means that Chauvin was found guilty of having taken a conscious risk with Floyd’s life that resulted in his death."So he took a "conscious risk" that killed someone and yet had a "depraved mind". In spite of my own posts earlier about depraved mind legalese, I can't reconcile those two.
Sentencing might be more interesting than the trial. Some hefty penalties - looking at 40 years, realistically 12. Then when does the rioting start?
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
Yep. Serving and protecting might have been a better option. I don't think Floyd was endangering anyone at the time.
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
I don't think it is, given what I have read. It seems more obvious than 3rd degree which is weird, as I said earlier.
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@act-crusader said in Black Lives Matter:
Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
Of the one person? Who the fuck instructed that jury?
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@snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
Yep. Serving and protecting might have been a better option. I don't think Floyd was endangering anyone at the time.
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
I don't think it is, given what I have read. It seems more obvious than 3rd degree which is weird, as I said earlier.
Well, if you take evidence of a "depraved mind" as having "acted with reckless disregard for Floyd’s life" then that's pretty hard to dismiss?
I think you can act consciously and recklessly at the same time. Reading the exerts you posted earlier, I'd think that 2nd and 3rd both appear logical
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@snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served,
Rightly or wrongly, that is the way the court saw it.
I haven't made a judgement call on the verdict. I get that you can infer I have but it's an objective statement.
My concern has never been for Chauvin. My concern is 12 months of rioting because of racism.
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@mariner4life said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
excellent way to look at it, well done
Is this sarcasm? If so why?
I've stated that justice has been played out, no judgement call at all. -
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
Everything I have read, which is the bulk of the stuff posted here, indicates to me that the 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges are entirely appropriate. The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
None of it is debatable. It went through the court, a jury gave a verdict. That's the system. I'm not disagreeing with anything, just playing the whistle
Now, how can the rioting be eased? And the argument of was Chauvin racist is far from settled.
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@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
Everything I have read, which is the bulk of the stuff posted here, indicates to me that the 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges are entirely appropriate. The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
None of it is debatable. It went through the court, a jury gave a verdict. That's the system. I'm not disagreeing with anything, just playing the whistle
Now, how can the rioting be eased? And the argument of was Chauvin racist is far from settled.
Everything is always debatable, especially on the Fern! Juries don't have 100% accuracy rates, they get shit wrong and especially in times of political inference.
Do we need to settle the "argument" of whether Chauvin was racist? Why is that relevant?
As for the rioting, I truly wish I had an answer to that. Looting and deliberate destruction of property is despicable and should be punished, even if triggered and influenced by deeper societal issues.
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
Everything I have read, which is the bulk of the stuff posted here, indicates to me that the 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges are entirely appropriate. The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
None of it is debatable. It went through the court, a jury gave a verdict. That's the system. I'm not disagreeing with anything, just playing the whistle
Now, how can the rioting be eased? And the argument of was Chauvin racist is far from settled.
Everything is always debatable, especially on the Fern! Juries don't have 100% accuracy rates, they get shit wrong and especially in times of political inference.
Do we need to settle the "argument" of whether Chauvin was racist? Why is that relevant?
As for the rioting, I truly wish I had an answer to that. Looting and deliberate destruction of property is despicable and should be punished, even if triggered and influenced by deeper societal issues.
This is a huge issue in the US, and strong emotions generated can result in tempers flaring and a loss of control. Of course there are will always be people who will use the opportunity to raise hell
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@canefan and there was tons of footage of legit peaceful protesters getting angry at others for looting and violence. Get a protest type event going with enough folks and some of them are going to be up to no good - irrespective of how worthy the cause or if the majority of people aren't getting violent. I don't think any level of organisational management (BLM, or whoever) is going to rein in people who are only going to rark shit up - whether that is for shits and giggles, to paint the protesters as rioters, or any other variation on those themes.
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and I fully agree that destruction of private property as part of a riot or protest is scummy as fuck.
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
So justice is served, and Minneapolis can be riot free, right?
Everything I have read, which is the bulk of the stuff posted here, indicates to me that the 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges are entirely appropriate. The 2nd degree charge is more debatable I guess.
Assuming any appeal is dismissed, this guy is going to need to be in isolation for his entire prison sentence. It's effectively life over for him.
None of it is debatable. It went through the court, a jury gave a verdict. That's the system. I'm not disagreeing with anything, just playing the whistle
Now, how can the rioting be eased? And the argument of was Chauvin racist is far from settled.
Everything is always debatable, especially on the Fern! Juries don't have 100% accuracy rates, they get shit wrong and especially in times of political inference.
Do we need to settle the "argument" of whether Chauvin was racist? Why is that relevant?
As for the rioting, I truly wish I had an answer to that. Looting and deliberate destruction of property is despicable and should be punished, even if triggered and influenced by deeper societal issues.
Yes, debatable, but like a referee or umpire's decision we've built a system on that being the final assessment, and to learn to accept that.👍
I thought the "racism" of Chauvin killing a black man was the crux of blm, rioting, kneeling, corporate virtue signalling etc. Happy to be wrong on that but I figured that was the impetus for the last 12 months of mayhem.