Coronavirus - Overall
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Nope.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Sounds like a straw man argument to me when I see people actually qualified on the matter raise objections and concerns with the government's health policy.
I'm also entirely unsurprised at India's predicament. A country with aspirations to be a superpower. It's only superpowers are population and bureaucracy.
The comment was more about idiots not believing potential impacts.
Out of interest who are the 'people actually qualified' that you refer to.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Sounds like a straw man argument to me when I see people actually qualified on the matter raise objections and concerns with the government's health policy.
I'm also entirely unsurprised at India's predicament. A country with aspirations to be a superpower. It's only superpowers are population and bureaucracy.
The comment was more about idiots not believing potential impacts.
Out of interest who are the 'people actually qualified' that you refer to.
Bret Weinstein, John Lee, John Ioannidis, Jayanta Bhattacharya, Anders Tegnell, etc.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Sounds like a straw man argument to me when I see people actually qualified on the matter raise objections and concerns with the government's health policy.
I'm also entirely unsurprised at India's predicament. A country with aspirations to be a superpower. It's only superpowers are population and bureaucracy.
The comment was more about idiots not believing potential impacts.
Out of interest who are the 'people actually qualified' that you refer to.
Bret Weinstein, John Lee, John Ioannidis, Jayanta Bhattacharya, Anders Tegnell, etc.
Thanks. I thought you were talking about epidemiologists and health policy experts.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Sounds like a straw man argument to me when I see people actually qualified on the matter raise objections and concerns with the government's health policy.
I'm also entirely unsurprised at India's predicament. A country with aspirations to be a superpower. It's only superpowers are population and bureaucracy.
The comment was more about idiots not believing potential impacts.
Out of interest who are the 'people actually qualified' that you refer to.
Bret Weinstein, John Lee, John Ioannidis, Jayanta Bhattacharya, Anders Tegnell, etc.
Thanks. I thought you were talking about epidemiologists and health policy experts.
a Professor of Medicine (Stanford Prevention Research), of Epidemiology and Population Health
a Professor of Medicine - Primary Care Outcomes Research and Senior Fellow, Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research (SIEPR)
A clinical professor of pathology
A state epidemiologist specialising in infectious disease?Guess i should listen to you instead.
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@antipodean and here I was thinking they were simply IDW theorists. So enlighten me to their objections and concerns about borders, lockdowns etc
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean and here I was thinking they were simply IDW theorists. So enlighten me to their objections and concerns about borders, lockdowns etc
Perhaps you should listen to them yourself.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean and here I was thinking they were simply IDW theorists. So enlighten me to their objections and concerns about borders, lockdowns etc
I'm not qualified to adequately present their expert opinions. Nor am I interested in inadvertently misrepresenting them so you can save face on the internet. If you're genuinely interested, try googling.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean and here I was thinking they were simply IDW theorists. So enlighten me to their objections and concerns about borders, lockdowns etc
I'm not qualified to adequately present their expert opinions. Nor am I interested in inadvertently misrepresenting them so you can save face on the internet. If you're genuinely interested, try googling.
I have.
Weinstein describes himself as a a theoretical evolutionary biologist. Ioannidis has well read theories about the 'falseness' of research findings and his views on how false COVID mortality predictions were (according to his theories) threw egg all over his face when his numbers were wildy (and dangerously) low.
I have no doubt that these are intelligent people but they are coming at this from very ivory tower theoretical views that often don't hold up.
I think it's great to have other lenses thrown over the situation but their theories need to be taken alongside others (that can be just as bad in their group think) rather than heralded as all knowing.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean and here I was thinking they were simply IDW theorists. So enlighten me to their objections and concerns about borders, lockdowns etc
I'm not qualified to adequately present their expert opinions. Nor am I interested in inadvertently misrepresenting them so you can save face on the internet. If you're genuinely interested, try googling.
I have.
Then why ask?
Weinstein describes himself as a a theoretical evolutionary biologist. Ioannidis has well read theories about the 'falseness' of research findings and his views on how false COVID mortality predictions were (according to his theories) threw egg all over his face when his numbers were wildy (and dangerously) low.
Someone who understands immunobiology and a Professor of Epidemiology and Population Health. So from your cherry-picking we still have an epidemiologist and health policy expert.
I have no doubt that these are intelligent people but they are coming at this from very ivory tower theoretical views that often don't hold up.
As opposed to the rampant guesswork by Neil Ferguson?
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@antipodean how’s Ioannidis’ theoretical prediction of 1% infection and 10k deaths in the US holding up?
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean how’s Ioannidis’ theoretical prediction of 1% infection and 10k deaths in the US holding up?
So dissatisfied with me not misrepresenting the work and statements of others you're doing it yourself. Have fun.
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I’m not trying to tell you that these “experts “ should be dismissed just that their theories are just that and should be looked at alongside others instead of being taken as gospel especially when there is proof of them being wrong at times.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I’m not trying to tell you that these “experts “ should be dismissed just that their theories are just that and should be looked at alongside others instead of being taken as gospel especially when there is proof of them being wrong at times.
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The overall percentage of deaths vs recovery and the average age of death still dominate the data, regardless of the " killing grandma" propaganda never seems to be addressed. Add in the cost/benefit analysis and I think it's healthy to be continually asking questions of politicians and experts.
Then the 28 days with covid being a very vague measure of cause and effect. Still not convinced nose swabs measure exactly what they purport.
Then there's the blatant obfuscation of the cause of the pandemic. Imagine having your house burned down and the fire brigade refusing to examine what started the fire.
These seem like flies in the ointment to me but we keep smothering the ointment on nevertheless.
Obviously, as I've done here, reducing the complexities of solutions and situations doesn't serve any purpose, but a year on and these questions are not addressed in any depth via politicians and mainstream
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial no. But for god's sake don't explain the fallacy, just keep your knowledge hidden so people can fawn over how clever you are
Using the outcomes of intervention measures as a reason that they weren't needed .
Unfortunately I also waited long enough to hear his anti-mask freedom to breathe rubbish as well
The clip belongs in the conspiracy theory thread.