Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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People talk about the Saffa sides, but where are the Jaguares in all this?
They had a team last year, and with only one team, they cant play with themselves like everyone else....
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@taniwharugby Yeah, all they have now is the Jaguares XV squad (based in Buenos Aires) that plays in the Súper Liga Americana de Rugby, where they have replaced the Ceibos (based in Cordoba). It's basically the Jaguares, minus the player exodus to Europe, MLR and Aussie SR sides. Pre-Covid, the Jaguares XV were the development team of the Jaguares that was scheduled to take part in the Currie Cup, but Covid ruined that, too. I suspect that only a few of the old Jaguares team are still there. Youngsters, and maybe a few older players who've returned from Europe. I understand that - maybe next year - the Ceibos will join the SLAR again and Argentina will have two teams in that competition.
There has also been talk of relocating the Jaguares to Spain and joining the PRO 14, but I haven't heard much about that recently.
I miss the Jaguares. I loved how they reached the SR Final in 2019. They added something different; another style of rugby and a lot of passion. The time difference was convenient enough, with games at decent times on Sunday morning for away games. Just the travel. I'd love to have them back.
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@stargazer yea they were good value and despite the time zone, worth persevering with, and in the current climate even better if they had another team, bring more to the comp than the 'PI' team will IMO
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@shark
Brumbies draw is 3 weeks away in NZ against Saders, Chiefs and Blues. Tell me again how bad things are for your teams -
@yourmatenate said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark
Brumbies draw is 3 weeks away in NZ against Saders, Chiefs and Blues. Tell me again how bad things are for your teamsThree weeks away from Canberra in late May, early June is a blessing. I'm surprised they didn't campaign to have all their games played away.
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@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The Australian teams are much worse than us. The draw does favour our teams though. The Hurricanes for instance are getting to rest some players with three easy games before taking on the Reds and the Brumbies. The Reds and Brumbies stand a chance of winning games, especially at home against our weaker sides. I think it will get tougher for them as the competition goes on.
If you had a format where you play teams for your own country twice and all the Aussie teams once, it would at least appear more even. The New Zealand teams would be more tired from playing each other.
Realistically, the best format would be 5 NZ teams, 4 Aus teams and 1 Pacific or Japanese team. That would provide the most even and balanced competition possible.
The Crusaders played the top two Australian teams in the first two weeks, including their champions away. The Highlanders got their best side and then a trip to Perth. The Chiefs had to start in Perth a week after our final.
How has the draw favoured NZ teams???
I thought my post explained it clearly.
It's obvious. The Brumbies and Reds have 5 tough games in a row (after their final). The Hurricanes had a week off, play 2 easy teams, the Force and then the Brumbies/Reds. Every Australian team has a tough draw because they do not have to play the other Australian teams!
In a round-robin format, the Brumbies/Reds would get to intersperse games against New Zealand teams with easy games against Australian opposition. This would give them a greater chance of winning these games and would make them more competitive.
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The Australian teams are much worse than us. The draw does favour our teams though. The Hurricanes for instance are getting to rest some players with three easy games before taking on the Reds and the Brumbies. The Reds and Brumbies stand a chance of winning games, especially at home against our weaker sides. I think it will get tougher for them as the competition goes on.
If you had a format where you play teams for your own country twice and all the Aussie teams once, it would at least appear more even. The New Zealand teams would be more tired from playing each other.
Realistically, the best format would be 5 NZ teams, 4 Aus teams and 1 Pacific or Japanese team. That would provide the most even and balanced competition possible.
The Crusaders played the top two Australian teams in the first two weeks, including their champions away. The Highlanders got their best side and then a trip to Perth. The Chiefs had to start in Perth a week after our final.
How has the draw favoured NZ teams???
I thought my post explained it clearly.
It's obvious. The Brumbies and Reds have 5 tough games in a row (after their final). The Hurricanes had a week off, play 2 easy teams, the Force and then the Brumbies/Reds. Every Australian team has a tough draw because they do not have to play the other Australian teams!
In a round-robin format, the Brumbies/Reds would get to intersperse games against New Zealand teams with easy games against Australian opposition. This would give them a greater chance of winning these games and would make them more competitive.
So it's a tough draw for the Australians, because they're not good, and have to play five superior teams in a row? That's not a tough draw so much as incompetence.
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@yourmatenate said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark
Brumbies draw is 3 weeks away in NZ against Saders, Chiefs and Blues. Tell me again how bad things are for your teamsThat's one team. Meanwhile the Force, Waratahs and Rebels all started at home didn't they? The Force got two home games to start.
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@yourmatenate said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark
Brumbies draw is 3 weeks away in NZ against Saders, Chiefs and Blues. Tell me again how bad things are for your teamsChiefs .... SRA Final in Chch, then 3rd best Strayan team 4 hours worth of time zones away in Perth via at least a bus trip to Auckland, probable stop over in Sydney (not sure if there are direct flights), 4 time zones back to Hamilton (stop over and bus), play 2nd best Australian team, bus trip to Akl and flight via probable stop over in Brisbane to get to Townsville to play best Australian team, with 2 hour time difference, then return via probably Brisbane, then Auckland then bus to Hamilton, backwards over two hour time difference ...
How's the Brumbles little hops up the country compare?
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@yourmatenate said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark
Brumbies draw is 3 weeks away in NZ against Saders, Chiefs and Blues. Tell me again how bad things are for your teamsJoking aside the road trip is probably preferable to hopping back and forth across the ditch and to and from Canberra.
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@booboo The Chiefs will also be playing 10 games in a row with no bye weeks. Both the Brumbies (Rd 10) and Reds (SF) had a week off before their final.
The organisers should take into account all of the travel (for all teams) and look to play at least 2 away games consecutively in the future.
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@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The future is clear. The only way to make the draw fair for Australian teams is to regularly intersperse those 'ouchie' games against NZ opposition, with numerous points-building home derbies, and to play 75% of games at home.
Yep if we play same format next year we will get same results, they need to mix up the games.
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@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
and to play 75% of games at home.
So try distort the results? Should we give them a points start as well?
I'm not having a crack at you, just that it still has to be as fair a comp as possible. We haven't had that for years anyway, with guaranteed home finals and conferences but I wouldn't like to see us regress to that sort of thing. The Aussies will get better by playing better teams all of the time, both home and away.
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@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@dan54 Not sure that's the answer. The benefit of the domestic Aus comp is they get a guaranteed Aus winner - look at the success of the Au final.
I'd expand the Aussie SR comp to 10 teams, providing a pathway for players and more content for broadcasters.
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@snowy said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
and to play 75% of games at home.
So try distort the results? Should we give them a points start as well?
I'm not having a crack at you, just that it still has to be as fair a comp as possible. We haven't had that for years anyway, with guaranteed home finals and conferences but I wouldn't like to see us regress to that sort of thing. The Aussies will get better by playing better teams all of the time, both home and away.
I was taking the piss. Of course there shouldn't be any concessions just because Australia can't turn out competitive sides. That would make the comp a sham on a greater scale even than the conference finals rep system we used to have.
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@dan54 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The future is clear. The only way to make the draw fair for Australian teams is to regularly intersperse those 'ouchie' games against NZ opposition, with numerous points-building home derbies, and to play 75% of games at home.
Yep if we play same format next year we will get same results, they need to mix up the games.
Or even if we play a full round robin we could get a scenario where an Australian side goes well in local derbies, can't beat NZ opposition, but makes the finals because the NZ teams beat each other up.
