NZ Eligibility
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Ah can someone give me a quick prècis here? The thread seems to have turned in to a weird shitfight and I've been tagged
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Ah can someone give me a quick prècis here? The thread seems to have turned in to a weird shitfight and I've been tagged
Our team is full of poaches and you and @pukunui are both Aussies
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Ah can someone give me a quick prècis here? The thread seems to have turned in to a weird shitfight and I've been tagged
Our team is full of poaches and you and @pukunui are both Aussies
Gotcha
Deadset
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The debate was whether or not it is OK to pick some one who comes to NZ for reasons related to rugby (either as a professional or as a teenager who uses rugby to further their education or professional rugby player aspirations).
The point was made that you should be a kiwi to play for the ABs.
We've moved on to a discussion of whether being 'kiwi' means you need to be a citizen. We heard examples of kids who are clearly descended from actual kiwis to illustrate that you can be a kiwi without being a citizen.
So, therefore because of such cases, if you identify as a kiwi, you should be able to come here as high schooler, not necessarily demonstrate any ongoing relationship to the country, and perhaps have no intention to stay here for any amount of time longer than 3 days after you are no longer an AB.
In other words, let's go wild in the Pacific Islands.
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@gt12 so just identifying is all good?
Like identifying as a Female weightlifter?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 so just identifying is all good?
Like identifying as a Female weightlifter?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
The debate was whether or not it is OK to pick some one who comes to NZ for reasons related to rugby (either as a professional or as a teenager who uses rugby to further their education or professional rugby player aspirations).
The point was made that you should be a kiwi to play for the ABs.
We've moved on to a discussion of whether being 'kiwi' means you need to be a citizen. We heard examples of kids who are clearly descending from actual kiwis to illustrate that you can be a kiwi without being a citizen.
You also heard examples of adults who don't descend from citizens to illustrate that you can be a Kiwi without being a citizen.So, therefore because of such cases, if you identify as a kiwi, you should be able to come here as high schooler, not necessarily demonstrate any ongoing relationship to the country, and perhaps have no intention to stay here for any amount of time longer than 3 days after you are no longer an AB.
In other words, let's go wild in the Pacific Islands.
That's your interpretation/conclusion. Not mine. I spoke of residents with close ties and significant contributions to the community. They do not only identify as Kiwis; their friends, colleagues and other people they know, also consider them to be Kiwis. They're not paper Kiwis like all those with citizenship overseas, who have near to zero connection to the country and contribute nothing.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
They're not paper Kiwis like all those with citizenship overseas, who have near to zero connection to the country and contribute nothing.
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Kiwis. Everyone is trying to be a genetically modified Chinese gooseberry these days.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
She's a Cornish kiwi
It's "Hi yw Kiwi kernewek" in the local lingo.....
I have dual citizenship, but, like you, pretty much regard myself as a Kiwi even though I've spent well over half of my life in the UK. I think a lot has to do with the country you grow up in and less the one you were born in.
I really don't have a problem with someone coming to NZ or the UK as a teenager and then playing, say, for Wales (Faletau is a good example). I do have some concerns about professional players like Bundi Aki playing for a NH or NZ team for a few years and then qualifying for a country, but that's a tricky one to manage.
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@stargazer I'm sure there are kids all around the world who dream of becoming an All Black. For some reason I remain convinced that the pathway shouldn't be open to kids offered an inducement to school in another country solely because they're good at rugby.
I'd actually prefer they were "New Zealanders" first which would allow for those who migrate as kids with their families.
In this kids like Segner would also be excluded unless he intended first and foremost to become a New Zealand citizen.
My view is that eligibility should be tied to citizenship (difficult for the home nations, obvs). You just can't quibble with some playing for a country of which they are a citizen. So, if someone migrates to a country at whatever age and is granted citizenship in accordance with the laws of that country, why shouldn't they then play rugby for that country?
That would stop the current farcical situation where you have a guy who plays pro rugby in England for 3 years, play international rugby for England for a further 2 years and then comes back to NZ to live the rest of his life in rugby retirement.
Citizenship requirement assumed said country is and will act ethically.
Certain middle eastern countries have been known to purchase decent Olympic middle distance runng squads.
I prefer WR have it's criteria. I just think some of them can be tightened.
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@kirwan said in NZ Eligibility:
So basically Stargazer has reduced the poaching argument to if the feel like Kiwis they aren’t poaches.
Someone get WR on the phone!
And I wonder what the motivation for that attitude is...
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@mariner4life said in NZ Eligibility:
@kirwan said in NZ Eligibility:
So basically Stargazer has reduced the poaching argument to if the feel like Kiwis they aren’t poaches.
Someone get WR on the phone!
And I wonder what the motivation for that attitude is...
His school, province, franchise and nation.
