Coronavirus - Australia
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@rotated said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta you waved goodbye to August and September, I reckon these guys cost us October as as well
At this point is there any appetite in NSW to basically accept some level of COVID from here on out and perhaps go for a softer lockdown for longer (mandatory masks indoors, no big events etc, caps on retail etc) rather than a harder lockdown in the hopes of achieving 0 cases again?
Looking at Canada's experience the vaccine ramp up and weather should play into Australia's favour from here on out and things could be kept at a manageable level.
What will the appetite be to lift any border restrictions in Q1 2022 once max vaccination has been achieved if everyone spent the better part of 3-4 months in lockdown less than six months earlier?
Much easier to accept 10 cases a day coming from 100 rather than 0.
It's definitely been discussed at NSW parliament. The issue is that if we don't get back to zero, we become a leper island until the narrative changes across the entire country. We won't be able to leave NSW at all.
But there may not be any other option at this stage, it's starting to feel like this has gotten away from us and zero isn't going to be possible.
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
man I wish we (and Aus) were further down the path with vaccinations!!
Yep. On the whole, I think the Oz and NZ approach would have worked out (may still work out?) to be one of the best had we both genuinely been “front of the queue” rather than ‘last in the OECD’ when it came to the vaccines.
NZ is one delta outbreak away from Hipkins strongly regretting that front of the queue statement and not paying the alleged extra $40 mill to Pfizer for priority deliveries (https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/a-question-to-health-minister-hipkins). The Australian vaccine situation seems even more inexplicable given AZ vaccines were also actively in the mix.
One thing Aus did that I really like, orvliked given that gambled on AZ, was tool up to manufacture their own vaccines on shore.
COVID is not going away in a hurry, and we're going to need annual boosters you'd think. Would unlikely be a wasted investment.
And then proceeded to screw up the messaging completely on AZ to the point that nobody wanted to take it. 🤦
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
man I wish we (and Aus) were further down the path with vaccinations!!
Yep. On the whole, I think the Oz and NZ approach would have worked out (may still work out?) to be one of the best had we both genuinely been “front of the queue” rather than ‘last in the OECD’ when it came to the vaccines.
NZ is one delta outbreak away from Hipkins strongly regretting that front of the queue statement and not paying the alleged extra $40 mill to Pfizer for priority deliveries (https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/a-question-to-health-minister-hipkins). The Australian vaccine situation seems even more inexplicable given AZ vaccines were also actively in the mix.
One thing Aus did that I really like, orvliked given that gambled on AZ, was tool up to manufacture their own vaccines on shore.
COVID is not going away in a hurry, and we're going to need annual boosters you'd think. Would unlikely be a wasted investment.
And then proceeded to screw up the messaging completely on AZ to the point that nobody wanted to take it. 🤦
Well they're now fixing that but advising everyone to get fucking anything they can.
Maybe a few of the idiots will die from blood clots.
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@rotated said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta you waved goodbye to August and September, I reckon these guys cost us October as as well
At this point is there any appetite in NSW to basically accept some level of COVID from here on out and perhaps go for a softer lockdown for longer (mandatory masks indoors, no big events etc, caps on retail etc) rather than a harder lockdown in the hopes of achieving 0 cases again?
Looking at Canada's experience the vaccine ramp up and weather should play into Australia's favour from here on out and things could be kept at a manageable level.
What will the appetite be to lift any border restrictions in Q1 2022 once max vaccination has been achieved if everyone spent the better part of 3-4 months in lockdown less than six months earlier?
Much easier to accept 10 cases a day coming from 100 rather than 0.
We haven't yet been in a proper harder lockdown, which is why we're steadily above 100 cases a day and the fuckwits think they can march all over the city.
I'm sure if Sydney got down to single digits , and they're confident the contact tracers can remain on top of things then the NSW govt would definitely think about opening up. It's essentially what happened most of last year.
I'm not sure about lifting border restrictions, but I think once maximum vaccinations are reached then it's definitely on the table, the issue being that we likely wont have that by Q1 2022, although, this outbreak seems to have kicked things into action a bit more, so fingers crossed.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Excuse my ignorance of the lockdown levels and rules, but what level lockdown is Sydney in? Can't leave your homes except for special reasons (Level 4?) or just schools are shut and indoor dining and gatherings are banned?(Level 3?)
We're in a weird in-between.
Can exercise with one other person not in your household.
Can travel 10km.
Takeaways and deliveries but no dining in.
Here's the rules: https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney
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Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for 14 days!!!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for 14 days!!!
How do you think she would have expected it to turn out?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for ever
14 days!!!FIFY
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for 14 days!!!
How do you think she would have expected it to turn out?
I think she thought it would be a few hundred hippies walking 2m apart. They follow all the rules, she just doesn't agree with them. I doubt she thought there would be 10k of them being violent and abusive to the cops
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for 14 days!!!
How do you think she would have expected it to turn out?
I think she thought it would be a few hundred hippies walking 2m apart. They follow all the rules, she just doesn't agree with them. I doubt she thought there would be 10k of them being violent and abusive to the cops
No matter what she thinks that was still them not following the rules. They were all gathering as a group to march, it doesn't matter if they're 2m apart.
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
clearly i am not in the loop for this and i am not on social media much either, I am with you, I had no idea..i am happy about that though..not linked to those idiots
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for 14 days!!!
How do you think she would have expected it to turn out?
I think she thought it would be a few hundred hippies walking 2m apart. They follow all the rules, she just doesn't agree with them. I doubt she thought there would be 10k of them being violent and abusive to the cops
No matter what she thinks that was still them not following the rules. They were all gathering as a group to march, it doesn't matter if they're 2m apart.
I wouldn't be hung up at all if they were distancing properly. No different than the thousands of folk on the beach concourse. They're crossing within 15cm of each other.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for 14 days!!!
How do you think she would have expected it to turn out?
I think she thought it would be a few hundred hippies walking 2m apart. They follow all the rules, she just doesn't agree with them. I doubt she thought there would be 10k of them being violent and abusive to the cops
No matter what she thinks that was still them not following the rules. They were all gathering as a group to march, it doesn't matter if they're 2m apart.
I wouldn't be hung up at all if they were distancing properly. No different than the thousands of folk on the beach concourse. They're crossing within 15cm of each other.
Which would have never happened of course, because the marchers are people who don't give a shit about the rules....
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Well what's going on in Aus should put the NZ govt on notice that they need to really ramp up our vaccination program!
How long before Sydney is at the point where they have lost control?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Hey Sydney based posters, did anyone know about this protest ahead of time?
I only knew about it when friends messaged me saying they could hear it near their places.
I assume it was set up via FB or some other such social media. It's weird that media weren't reporting on it before it happened as it seems so coordinated that they would have come across it.
We knew about it because the mum of my oldest kids friend was going... She's a hippie anti-vaxer, I imagine she would have been mortified at how it turned out, but even so my kid ain't playing with her kid for 14 days!!!
How do you think she would have expected it to turn out?
I think she thought it would be a few hundred hippies walking 2m apart. They follow all the rules, she just doesn't agree with them. I doubt she thought there would be 10k of them being violent and abusive to the cops
No matter what she thinks that was still them not following the rules. They were all gathering as a group to march, it doesn't matter if they're 2m apart.
I wouldn't be hung up at all if they were distancing properly. No different than the thousands of folk on the beach concourse. They're crossing within 15cm of each other.
Which would have never happened of course, because the marchers are people who don't give a shit about the rules....
Are they? Is that what they're all like mate? That's a bit of a pompous statement. Those who genuinely believe in freedoms and liberty and resent the government treating us this way, locking us into little zones around our homes? Those who have lost their jobs, their businesses, their savings?
Are they expected to suck it up? Do they not have a right to process?
Obviously the way it turned out was fucking wrong, I'm not condoning it at all. But I wouldn't unfriend anyone for assuming the protest was going to be different and went along.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Well what's going on in Aus should put the NZ govt on notice that they need to really ramp up our vaccination program!
How long before Sydney is at the point where they have lost control?
You don't think we're there already...?