Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@mariner4life moral of the story, stay healthy fuckers!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@windows97 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
NZs vaccine strategy for a highly contagious virus has a problem. That most if not all countries have. The not insignificant part of the population that refuse to be vaccinated. Generally healthy people aged 20 to 65 who think they have nothing to fear and feel that the altruistic good of herd immunity does not trump their personal freedoms.
You can only save those who want to be saved
But at the price of shutting down NZ to itself and the world? Is NZ just planning to string together a series of level 4 lockdowns over the next couple of years each time a case is confirmed? How long will people accept that before it wears thin?
Our medical system couldn't even deal with spikes in normal Winter illness, let alone a full blown covid19 outbreak, that is why we lockdown and enforce MIQ.
To be fair that's getting a little thin though, how many billions of dollars have we spent on Covid and covid related stuff, how many months/years has this gone on for and we STILL haven't beefed up our medical system to cope with any sort of outbreak? Is our strategy really been to throw billions of $$ at wage subsidy's and none at the hospitals...and give them pay freezes so they strike??
It's absurdity beyond belief...
and some numbers
according to World Bank
in 1990 NZ had 8.5 hospital beds per 1,000 people. In 2019 that number was 2.5
For Aus it was 9.2 down to 3.8
Shit those numbers are damning
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The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
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I hope they are right, containment would be very good
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@canefan only issue there is often they were pessimistic in predicting thier numbers on the previous outbreaks, and turned out well, now they are being optimisitic....
how can they say locations of interest go back to August 1, when the infected person they mentioned couldnt have transmitted it until 7 August
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@taniwharugby or this is a revised assessment based on the last couple of days? I'll cling to any shred of hope mate
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@donsteppa possibly due to infectiousness at the time?
WHo knows?
@JK that a new case, or one earlier?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa possibly due to infectiousness at the time?
WHo knows?
@JK that a new case, or one earlier?
Ahh may have been in news earlier? I don’t really watch it. Just another pretty local school that the kids play sports against
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Interesting that there's been no Coromandel news so far, hopefully that's a good sign re: the geographic extensiveness of the spread.
I’m highly surprised by this. Was fearing the worst for down there
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@jk said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa possibly due to infectiousness at the time?
WHo knows?
@JK that a new case, or one earlier?
Ahh may have been in news earlier? I don’t really watch it. Just another pretty local school that the kids play sports against
Actually just opened the nzherald app and it’s scrolling in a red banner so suspect it’s recent
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@sparky on another thread mentioned how well Ireland is doing with the vaccination so I went to check out their rates and he's right they are doing really well. Much better than us.
It's interesting to compare the last couple of months of fully vaccinated individuals:
Ireland
May 30: 0.51M
Aug 17: 3.14MNZ
May 30: 0.22M
Aug 17: 0.95MSo in 80 days they increased their fully vaccinated count by 2.6M. We increased it by 0.73M. I don't have the actual historical dose figures otherwise I'd use that, but this still seems incredibly poor. What's going on in NZ? Do we not have the supply? Or is it bureaucracy? Or is it complacency?
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@frye said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@sparky on another thread mentioned how well Ireland is doing with the vaccination so I went to check out their rates and he's right they are doing really well. Much better than us.
It's interesting to compare the last couple of months of fully vaccinated individuals:
Ireland
May 30: 0.51M
Aug 17: 3.14MNZ
May 30: 0.22M
Aug 17: 0.95MSo in 80 days they increased their fully vaccinated count by 2.6M. We increased it by 0.73M. I don't have the actual historical dose figures otherwise I'd use that, but this still seems incredibly poor. What's going on in NZ? Do we not have the supply? Or is it bureaucracy? Or is it complacency?
We didn't have the supply for a fair chunk of that time you mention. And spent if flat lining until the ramp up started in July.
Doing about 300k a week now, and increasing (until this lockdown), so would also be on target to also possibly do 2.6m in 80 days.
NZ started about 3 months after most western countries and ramped up slower (maybe 5 months after most of europe going gang busters) as didn't push hard on supply back when demand was huge.
It is false economy. But, I have to admit back when they were saying they could take time to choose best vaccine etc, I felt ok with that choice. So, it would be hypocritical of me to project my urgency now back to Feb / March. Delta changed the risk profile in hindsight, but no place is going to get this pandemic correct 100% of the time. C'est la vie.
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How are people actually getting masks now? They aren't handing them out as you enter a supermarket so if you don't have one how do you get them? I'm giving them out because I have them, but it is a bit fucked mandating the use of them when they aren't available.
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I expect the announcement today is rest of NZ will remain under L4 through to Wednesday with Auckland, but I really hope they have borders as tight as they can, because if cases continue to stay in Auckland, they need to be looking at reducing levels elsewhere.