Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial they approved AZ last month didnt they, but not started using it?
Approved in theory but we aren't set up to distribute and administer AZ which needs a different set up. It's not as easy as just swapping the liquid in the vials. In fact that also adds the complexity of double checking previous shots etc.
It is the same with most things in NZ. We like to think we are a first world country with all the whistles and bells but we are an after thought in distribution chains as well as a small spread out market.
The biggest issue with getting the vaccinations is simply that, getting them. People forget that we weren't able to secure dates of supply arrivals until we committed to one vaccine and made the order big enough for Pfizer to concern themselves about. Even then as a 'customer' we are the guy that comes into the shop occasionally and buys a loaf of cheap bread and some toilet paper.
We hold no sway over the market except maybe some small amount of good marketing press that the 'cautious' country has chosen this product over all others.When talking about supply from the global marketplace it sucks to be small
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@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
It's a spin that insults intelligence really and I'm surprised they think people will buy it.
I get that they don't want a message of 'we are running out' but why not just a truthful one of 'if we continue at this unexpected high rate due to unbooked vaccinations (which is good) we could get gaps in the supply chain. We have more than enough to meet the booked rollout and may have to manage some areas to just bookings until the big supply arrives in a couple of weeks.'
Strange thing is that it is actually going really well considering that there was never a plan to go this big until the big shipment arrived. They aren't getting credit for the quick reaction and boost in Vax percentages because of clumsy answers to 'are you running out?'
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
Yeah, I still don't know where we are headed on this. If you look at the UK numbers they are still getting spread just not as bad an effect. We also haven't seen what happens when they come out of summer which will be the real test. At some point our health system has to be prepared to take this on the chin as a new illness to be dealt with. How we work out that tipping point is anyone's guess.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
Yeah, I still don't know where we are headed on this. If you look at the UK numbers they are still getting spread just not as bad an effect. We also haven't seen what happens when they come out of summer which will be the real test. At some point our health system has to be prepared to take this on the chin as a new illness to be dealt with. How we work out that tipping point is anyone's guess.
The key is low hospitalisation rates. Then covid is just the flu for most. We should all expect to get it before too long. It is inevitable because it isn't leaving anytime soon
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Is there a breakdown of number of tests taken vs number of cases detected? Ideally the number of tests would be consistent, with cases dropping, but if less people are being tested then lower case numbers doesn't tell us much.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that they don't want a message of 'we are running out' but why not just a truthful one of 'if we continue at this unexpected high rate due to unbooked vaccinations (which is good) we could get gaps in the supply chain. We have more than enough to meet the booked rollout and may have to manage some areas to just bookings until the big supply arrives in a couple of weeks.'
That's what Cindy was saying on National Radio earlier. Or it may have been Hipkins. Or even Verrall.
Unless I see their teeth I can't tell.
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@no-quarter not necessarily, we are now over 2 weeks since the original location of interest, 2 weeks into a strict lockdown, the vast majority of those already tested will have been over thier 2 tests and 14 day isolation, as will most of thier contacts, as people stop moving about then the contact points diminish too.
Initially we were getting people who were deemed close contacts (remember the way they viewed this changed considerably, bringing way more people into the frame) tested, plus those who werent at any location but werent feeling well were getting tested.
Now with the locations of interest dropping, and people in L4, then those potentially exposed should be dropping too.
Girl from my work was at Sky City 18 hours after the 'original case' was there, but she was considered a close contact and had to have 2 tests and isolate for 14 days, which ended on Sunday just gone.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
takeaways at Level 3 tomorrow...
Oh fuck off.
I was grumpy anyway Don. Not personal, just hungry and getting sick of cooking. Two more bloody weeks - thanks George, for the saying.
Has anyone got any idea what I do about a moron old lady that works for me and won't get a jab? This woman flat out refuses, she isn't all that healthy and her partner is seriously sick with Parkinson's. She is likely to end up killing both of them (yes improvement in IQ all around) but she is actually good at her job and I don't want to lose her. Cant force her into it so WTF do you do? Can't fire her, can't hold back holiday pay, just fucking helpless.
Will add that she brings a shitload of knowledge and money to the business. Just a stubborn uneducated old cow. I'm so bloody angry.
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@snowy hard to know where to go with that. What pressure poijt can you use that hasn't worked?
You will possibly die? If you do your partner is farked without you?
You could get sick and give it to him and he'll die?
Do it for the team?Difficult
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Would a deadline being given to the unjabbed that after x date, we are opening the borders, help them do it quicker (provided NZ has enough vaccine)?