Black Caps - Bangladesh tour 2021
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
I watched us bat, Young played really well, started a bit shaky but grew in confidence. Used the sweep shot really well to negate the spin.
The balls that got Latham and Nicholls turned a fucking mile, basically unplayable, though Latham probably should have stayed in his crease with the ball turning away. CdG is absolutely all at sea on a turning pitch which is not unexpected at all.
We really just needed one more of the top order to put on 30 odd and we would have had enough to win. It's actually a pretty interesting battle, and I don't mind the batsmen being made to work extra hard for their runs for once in a T20.
Yeah, I don't actually mind these low scoring games. A totally different experience than we are used to but still entertaining.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
.By a really long way. We've won test series abroad almost everywhere except aussie in the last few years in a variet of conditions, so someone can play abroad
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
.By a really long way. We've won test series abroad almost everywhere except aussie in the last few years in a variet of conditions, so someone can play abroad
And India. And South Africa.
We've won in England, which is like home on steroids. Everyone else we've played have been pretty shit, in which case CdG probably did alright.
Don't worry, I'm not checking any 'facts' either.
Besides which his record is worse than everyone else in the team anyway - a worse batter than the batters, and a worse bowler than the bowlers.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out.
It always depends on the conditions. In NZ Patel doesn't get a look in. The subcontinent he's in, and I remember we took Sommerville too. It is the lot of the 11th slot I suppose. I just don't see CDG as the kind of guy who bails us out with the bat, and he's unlikely to get us a couple of wickets against good batting when the top line seamers have failed. Patel is there if we come to realise that conditions are not suited to our other bowlers, the surface is taking spin more than we think. And he is more attack minded than Mitch
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out.
It always depends on the conditions. In NZ Patel doesn't get a look in. The subcontinent he's in, and I remember we took Sommerville too. It is the lot of the 11th slot I suppose
For sure. Our four pace men are carved in stone and even Henry has proved he’s not completely terrible if one of them breaks.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
It’s up in the air and yeah, it could make him THE most valuable guy in the team, even more than KW. At the moment the jury is out on his batting, despite the promise so far.
….and if it does happen then Santner becomes even more redundant.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
It’s up in the air and yeah, it could make him THE most valuable guy in the team, even more than KW.
….and if it does happen then Santner becomes even more redundant.
He already is. BCCI rule cricket and they said so.
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The obvious choice to take the all rounder spot when playing tests in NZ is Ravindra. In our conditions we don't really need a spinner but Ravindra is good enough to get through some quick overs and provide a point of difference.
He has a much higher ceiling than Santner in both the batting and the bowling department and has potential to be a high class opener. Although it does appear he is being fast tracked and he certainly hasn't dominated the domestic circuit like Williamson did before he made the test team.
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@labcat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
The obvious choice to take the all rounder spot when playing tests in NZ is Ravindra. In our conditions we don't really need a spinner but Ravindra is good enough to get through some quick overs and provide a point of difference.
I tend to agree and it balances the batting order much better - having no one capable of playing a rear guard knock below 6 would be shown up if we played more tests against the top nations, doubly so with Watling gone.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
The obvious choice to take the all rounder spot when playing tests in NZ is Ravindra. In our conditions we don't really need a spinner but Ravindra is good enough to get through some quick overs and provide a point of difference.
I tend to agree and it balances the batting order much better - having no one capable of playing a rear guard knock below 6 would be shown up if we played more tests against the top nations, doubly so with Watling gone.
We will miss him, he always seemed to be that guy who went cheaply if he came in when we were 500-4 but then always seemed to be that guy who saved us when we were 100-4.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
The answer is, he isn't.
He's a bowler who can a bat a bit, maybe now transitioning to a bowling allrounder - with elevated current test batting stats due to a good start.
He's had a 7 year FC career with a highest score of 67. Albeit he 'looks' better than that.
He did score a hundred in one of those non-FC 12 or 15 a side warmup games against England back in 2018. But it was a blast a century job, like off 60 or 70 balls.
He'd get nose-bleeds at 7. Made even worse in that proposed 7 to 11 by being backed up at 8 by Southee who is also near nose-bleed territory when as high as 8.
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A timely opinion piece by Geenty on CdG today. He's not wrong and agrees with others in this thread.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
A timely opinion piece by Geenty on CdG today. He's not wrong and agrees with others in this thread.
He's not wrong. But CdG is already not in the top 16 NZ T20 players selected for the T20WC (which includes 2 others doing his role; Neesham & Mitchell) so it is hardly news that he isn't lording it in this format. But, yeah, it is worse than "not lording it", he's a passenger with the bat, but we look stronger on these Bangladesh pitches with him bowling rather than one of the countless superfulous tailender seamers in the squad.
He also struggled in UAE on Pakistan tour in 2019, in all formats, which is what probably cost him that T20WC spot in UAE in place of Mitchell.