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@frank said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
You know things have got a bit too woke when a Guardian writer is against Hubbard being able to compete.
Interesting admission by Serena Williams halfway down the article. I guess John McEnroe was right.
Great article
The 100m stat is crazy
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I saw they asked the GB women's weight lifter what she thought of Hubbard in a presser, and after a long pause she just said "no thank you".
It's so ridiculous that they can't even express their thoughts on this, given it's such an obvious farce that Hubbard is allowed to compete. The world is going crazy.
Edit - here's the clip. It was the American that ended up answering.
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@no-quarter said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
I saw they asked the GB women's weight lifter what she thought of Hubbard in a presser, and after a long pause she just said "no thank you".
It's so ridiculous that they can't even express their thoughts on this, given it's such an obvious farce that Hubbard is allowed to compete. The world is going crazy.
Edit - here's the clip. It was the American that ended up answering.
#NoThankYou.
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It’s a whole new ball(s?) game.
Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut
She’s seriously scary.
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@kid-chocolate said in UFC:
It’s a whole new ball(s?) game.
Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut
She’s seriously scary.
FFS
Former Special Forces -
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@kid-chocolate said in UFC:
This is what she looked like before she transitioned.
For real.
See above
Absolute fucking joke
She should be ashamed of herselfHats off to the WOMAN who took the fight
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When will this freak show end?
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@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
When will this freak show end?
When someone gets really hurt, from the look of that bloke above.
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@gt12 said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
When will this freak show end?
When someone gets really hurt, from the look of that bloke above.
Not true unfortunately. Fallon Fox broke the eye socket of a female opponent back in 2014.
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@duluth said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@gt12 said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
When will this freak show end?
When someone gets really hurt, from the look of that bloke above.
Not true unfortunately. Fallon Fox broke the eye socket of a female opponent back in 2014.
I guess it take someone getting killed then?
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@kid-chocolate she?
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"Trans women retain physique, stamina and strength advantages when competing in female sport, even when they reduce their testosterone levels, new guidelines for transgender participation in national and grassroots sport published by the UK sports councils will say on Thursday.
The long-awaited report argues there is no magic solution which balances the inclusion of trans women in female sport while guaranteeing competitive fairness and safety. And, for the first time, it tells sports across Britain that they will have to choose which to prioritise."
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Per UK Equality Act 2010, transgender folk may legally be excluded from participation in sport "if this is necessary to uphold fair or safe competition, but not otherwise" https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/721725/GRA-Consultation-document.pdf#page=74
In fact it goes back further to the Gender Reform Bill of 2004 when it was discussed extensively. It seems a sensible balance even now imho, and nothing has changed legally.
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My two ( slightly drunken, I’m celebrating ) cents.
In terms of what blokes have over girls physically I think the main one ( and I’m sure there is science to back me up ) is striking ability. Fairly sure the difference between the hardest punching guy vs the hardest punching girl is huge.
This should be taken into account in something as potentially dangerous as this.
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@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
This is what she looked like before she transitioned.
For real.
As much as I’m 100% on the opposite side of this argument, these two pics do suggest whatever drugs they use do drastically reduce their physicality.
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First of all ... I have more than a few trans/transgender/transexual friends, lovely, smart and certainly different people omg . Trans discussions online always get emotive and messy but please, most trans people are not activists. Trust me they have bigger problems in their lives.
Anyway, a few factual things I saw reading this I feel I should mention -
- International meta-data studies I have seen put "transgender" people at around 0.3-0.5% of the total population so pretty low (it gets messy as some non-binary people are trans, and studies have taken different views on who is "trans" enough)
- I totally agree the percentage suffering significant gender dysphoria is lower ... for me I guess to the degree we're talking medical intervention i.e. cross-sex hormones or more. Some non-binary people suffer similar gender dysphoria too. It's complex.
- In Psychiatric terms gender dysphoria is no longer considered a mental health condition as of DSM-V (2013). It is still considered a medical condition due to the needs by some for physical interventions.
- I'd just like people to ponder on the thought that homosexuality was considered a mental health disorder until DSM-II was updated in the 1973 Seventh Edition. What the gay community suffered for acceptance, the trans community is going through now. 50 years later.
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@majorrage said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
This is what she looked like before she transitioned.
For real.
As much as I’m 100% on the opposite side of this argument, these two pics do suggest whatever drugs they use do drastically reduce their physicality.
A typical transition for a MTF trans woman will involve high dose of estrogen plus what's called a T-Blocker (testosterone blocker). Androcur or spironolactone typically. Essentially the goal is to achieve stable female hormonal levels.
That process is normally for at least 3-4 years with an endocrinologist monitoring the hormone levels every 6 months, a lot more often at first. Lots of blood tests.
At this point, an orchiectomy can be considered which removes the need for a T-Blocker as ... you won't be making more testosterone for sure. Plus estrogen can be greatly reduced when the body is not fighting testosterone.
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@l_n_p re the last point, is it really?
I have zero issues with trans ppl. Zero. I have issues with the activists as I don’t believe:
- It should be free reign on men in woman’s toilets - because I think that’s open to be abused by genuinely sick, not trans, people.
- I don’t think trans men should participate in woman’s sports.
That’s nothing like what gay people went through. Nothing.
I literally know nobody who holds a diff point of view. And I’ll fight to the death that I’m not transphobic because of these views.
Transgender debate, in sport, in general