Coronavirus - Overall
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
I'm jealous, we are still meant to be wearing them and I do as I don't want to be the non-Japanese that sticks out (more than I already do).
But, even here in Japan, I've started seeing people not wearing them, which is really interesting given how compliant people usually are. On my way to the station (roughly 800 metres) I saw three people not wearing them, all over 50 (so probably double vaxxed) and just doing their thing.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
Was he muttering something about his contrat de sous-marin?
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No. It was before we ganged up with the Convicts and the Seppos to shaft the Frogs.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
But I had a moustache and was wearing a blue and white striped t shirt???
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Yep
Came abroad on Monday evening
Next to no one wearing them in London
Great
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
But I had a moustache and was wearing a blue and white striped t shirt???
You forgot you need at least two of three from wearing a beret, plus onions and/or baguette?
Plus wearing sandals with socks gives you away I hear.
No cultural stereotyping here of course ...
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Yep
Came abroad on Monday evening
Next to no one wearing them in London
Great
Mine’s in my pocket for nowI'd say it's variable e.g. in my leafy and slightly elderly suburb of London ...
If I go to a large supermarket in the daytime the crowd is middle aged+ in general, probably 70-80% masking. Surprisingly high.
If I pop to a mini-market at 10pm, most of the people there are picking up a few things after being in a pub/restaurant. So mainly 20s-30s. Maybe only 20-30% masked.
I wear one in enclosed spaces, but it's for others not me. If I forget it I don't sweat it and I don't judge anyone not wearing one.
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I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
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I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again
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@mariner4life I agree all you say ... am provax, as is my teenager thankfully.
But one question - what scientific basis(es) do you follow for vaccinating 12-15 year olds on an individual basis? Reason I ask ...
In the UK the pure medical evidence on vaccinating 12-15 years olds was that it was borderline for them as individuals. It has been finally justified by a higher level medical committee, I think, on mental health reasons and disruption of missing school i.e. still of benefit to an individual child ... on balance. Mmmmmm, okay.
I'm wondering if there will be a push to vaccinate 5-11 year olds downstream, based on "something slightly concocted", but actually for societal and healthcare system protection.
Even if I were a parent of a 5-11 year old kid, I wouldn't necessarily say no it as long as a government is being transparent. BUT if I was doubtful and felt my government was misleading me, it would put me off vaccinating a younger child.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
1 million fucking %
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again
It’s never been about catching it.
it’s been about overwhelming the health services.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again
I'm interested in NZ, if a 12-15 year old kid disagrees with their parents on being vaccinated or not, how does it work/will it work?
In the UK there is a cornerstone legal-medical principle based on case-law precedent called "Gillick competency" which is applied to allow adolescents to access things like contraception or abortion without parental approval - as long as a doctor agrees they are Gillick competent.
(If our UK government bypasses this for CoVid ... I would find it very very problematic indeed)
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@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm wondering if there will be a push to vaccinate 5-11 year olds downstream, based on "something slightly concocted", but actually for societal and healthcare system protection.
of course there will, and apparently the studies are underway currently, I expect ultimately it will be for everyone to be vaxxed.
The way I see it, you will have a small portion of people that will go about thier lives, doing the right thing, but as soon as you tell they have to do it, they will then refuse.
Then you have the section who buy into the anti-vax, conspiracy movement (I stupidly engaged with someone on FB the other day, thinking they were up for a reasonable conversation, but ended up telling me you cant trust the NZ Herald due to Newscorp or cant trust Google, while using Youtube clips to prove thier point, and even when I bought up what I had pointed to was nothing to do with NZ Herald, they went further into the rabbit hole, so I bailed)
And then you have those that cant be vaxxed.
@L_n_P well if that kids parents are Anti-vax, that kid who is 12-15 to can choose to get vaccinated without consent
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again
It’s never been about catching it.
it’s been about overwhelming the health services.
It can be about both. Too many people get bad cases at the same time and it will definitely be about the consequences of catching it if you can't get a bed in the hospital
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Absolutely this.
My wife and I are already wondering about this, as vaccination status will limit travel capability. At some point, we'll be getting my boy jabbed so he can get on a plane, not because of any substantial health risk to his person from Covid.
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@taniwharugby I think quite the opposite in UK, and even more in Europe.
My opinion? Making an offer to vaccinate 5-11 years olds would put off a lot of adult fence-sitters and reinforce the anti-vax movement. A PR nightmare in short.
Practically they would get a gain on pure vaccination percentages, but in reality get a net overall loss on actual health benefits by entrenching adult positions ... and it's the unvaccinated parents and older people who need the vaccination far more.
It's complex.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm wondering if there will be a push to vaccinate 5-11 year olds downstream, based on "something slightly concocted", but actually for societal and healthcare system protection.
The way I see it, you will have a small portion of people that will go about thier lives, doing the right thing, but as soon as you tell they have to do it, they will then refuse.
thats actually what im worried about with the riots in melbourne, there will be some people who were probably just going to get it because they were on the fence and it was largely seen as the right thing...but now its even more tied to our "freedoms" and "our hard working tradies" and other sound bites they will galvanize against
I'll add im specifically not commenting on the topic of vaxxing younger people, i have my thoughts but i dont have kids and so dont know how i would feel if i did