All Blacks vs Springboks I
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@jr_ Fantastic post. Just because we didn't enjoy the style that you guys bring doesn't mean we should sulk about like babies. We should be looking at finding a way to counter it.
I enjoyed the contrast in styles tbh, and as you said, it was an old school street fight which we found a way to come out on top.
Always play to your strengths, not play a style you aren't good at to please others.
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@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@jr_ said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
The fact is there is no proof that any of these injuries are faked. None.
How would you prove it anyway? That's impossible.
Of course we know faking injuries feeds into the Bok game plan of slowing the game down. In fact, faking an injury give them a LONGER breather than simply walking to a lineout.
What would be interesting is for someone to count how many times the Boks go down in games but the "injured" player then continues playing vs how many times this happens for other teams. Perhaps this was just a one-off, but I doubt it.
They sprayed the outside of Marx's boot. I'm no medical professional, but how does that fix anything? Maybe it was an aerosol shoe polish?
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@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
How would you prove it anyway? That's impossible.
Of course we know faking injuries feeds into the Bok game plan of slowing the game down. In fact, faking an injury give them a LONGER breather than simply walking to a lineout.
What would be interesting is for someone to count how many times the Boks go down in games but the "injured" player then continues playing vs how many times this happens for other teams. Perhaps this was just a one-off, but I doubt it.Exactly, it is impossible to prove. But the fact that it "feeds into our plan" doesn't make it so either. I just think this general line is being overcooked a bit. It started with the Lions tour (where the Bok boring rugby narrative also took hold) and now seems to be something for everyone to bitch about every week. Agree one would need some stats on it to get a real view....I also think the Boks are too negative on tempo and they need to up it. The slow walk everywhere and trudging to the line outs is just too defensive. Get some fucking spring in your step man!
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@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
This about some up the Springboks , could’nt organise a party in a liquor store .
That compilation actually made the match enjoyable in a hilarious sort of way.
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@jr_ said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
How would you prove it anyway? That's impossible.
Of course we know faking injuries feeds into the Bok game plan of slowing the game down. In fact, faking an injury give them a LONGER breather than simply walking to a lineout.
What would be interesting is for someone to count how many times the Boks go down in games but the "injured" player then continues playing vs how many times this happens for other teams. Perhaps this was just a one-off, but I doubt it.Exactly, it is impossible to prove. But the fact that it "feeds into our plan" doesn't make it so either. I just think this general line is being overcooked a bit. It started with the Lions tour (where the Bok boring rugby narrative also took hold) and now seems to be something for everyone to bitch about every week. Agree one would need some stats on it to get a real view....I also think the Boks are too negative on tempo and they need to up it. The slow walk everywhere and trudging to the line outs is just too defensive. Get some fucking spring in your step man!
The Boks probably can't stay with us in a speed game. So it is logical that they would try everything to slow and shorten the game. I blame the ref for letting them do it. He was shockingly bad
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So we played the final 10 minutes with the following backline set up
HB - Webber
1st 5 - Beaudie2nd 5 - Havili
Centre - QuinnLW: Ioane
RW: DmacFB: Jordie
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@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@jr_ Fantastic post. Just because we didn't enjoy the style that you guys bring doesn't mean we should sulk about like babies. We should be looking at finding a way to counter it.
I enjoyed the contrast in styles tbh, and as you said, it was an old school street fight which we found a way to come out on top.
Always play to your strengths, not play a style you aren't good at to please others.
Except I don't believe endless bombs is playing to their strengths at all. There are some very talented players in that team who barely get their hands on the ball and are chasing bombs all day.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
So we played the final 10 minutes with the following backline set up
HB - Webber
1st 5 - Beaudie2nd 5 - Havili
Centre - QuinnLW: Ioane
RW: DmacFB: Jordie
Was it as much about the fact that our forwards were more competitive late?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@jr_ Fantastic post. Just because we didn't enjoy the style that you guys bring doesn't mean we should sulk about like babies. We should be looking at finding a way to counter it.
I enjoyed the contrast in styles tbh, and as you said, it was an old school street fight which we found a way to come out on top.
Always play to your strengths, not play a style you aren't good at to please others.
Except I don't believe endless bombs is playing to their strengths at all. There are some very talented players in that team who barely get their hands on the ball and are chasing bombs all day.
If you're too unfit, that's a good option though right - and you're going to be forever getting injuries.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Not sure about the subs, but actual realistic points. Unlike NZH all around 6 and 7
Yeah that was pretty spot on except for Jordan. He did some good things but farked up several times. Not Bridge bad but pretty farking close to it.
See article below highlights work at the breakdown as not being good enough. Not totally a loose forward thing but you would think a criticism of Ardie and Akira given positive comments on Blackadder.
Foxy on the money.
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@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Not my observation but I read somewhere ( Rugby Pass (?)), playing Ardie and Akira together may be problematic because they are similar players. They have obvious strengths but don't hit rucks and move bodies like other options at loose forward.
I agree. I actually have changed my mind on the loose forward combo. Agree with the reasoning above. Ardie and Akira are both primarily attacking ball runners (though certainly capable of turnovers)
I think Foster might replace Akira with Blackadder at 6. Blackadder has been outstanding in the last two games and we need more speed at the breakdown. I also prefer Jacobson over Ardie at 8, but because Ardie is captain, he is undroppable.
If Akira is to be retained, his physical presence has to be utilized more on attack.
Papalii should be at 7, Jabobson at 8 and Blackadder at 6.
For me Papli'i best 7, then maybe Blackadder. Ardie no longer seems to shine there. Akira's role different, and he has credit in bank. Eight between Ardie, LJ and Sotutu. Arguments for each, but likely Ardie's seniority to prevail. Would be hard to lave Blackadder out of 23, based on sheer involvement.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan Fat Frans had Moodys number . He'll dominate him again on Saturday.
Moody was penalised for going forward?!!
Yup going forward is against everything current Bok rugby stands for!
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All Blacks expecting same tactics from Springboks
Claiming a win but with plenty still to work on would be the incentive for the All Blacks as they chase a Fortinet Rugby Championship Grand Slam in their final game against South Africa on the Gold Coast on Saturday.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan Fat Frans had Moodys number . He'll dominate him again on Saturday.
Moody was penalised for going forward?!!
Yup going forward is against everything current Bok rugby stands for!
"There's plenty of power coming through both those packs, and it only takes a slight angle of a prop, and that power is going to go somewhere. We felt at times that if their tighthead is angling in slightly then, with the power that we've got, we're going to go through him, but it can also look like we're coming through on an angle.
"So all of these things are quite technical and the referees at times get them right and times get them wrong. We felt we got penalised at times when we hadn't done anything wrong," he said.
Some referees dealt with scrums better than others, he said.
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