All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@nta Boet PSdT is a work horse. The type that you only miss when he isn't around. He is as good as 2 Hoopers.
Kolbey is like sharp knife, cutting through defense for breakfast.
PSdT was voted best rugby player on planet earth in 2019 after the WC.
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A couple of arbitrary observations from this Saffa:
A much better game to watch this week.
Obviously nice for me that the rugby gods chose to smile on the Boks this time around - but this game was ball-hair close again. 3 of them on this tour so it was about time we came out on the rights ide of things
Been reading some of the comments about the AB lineout... I don't think it struggled nearly as much as some of you seemed to think. I guess what hurt was losing one or two crucial ones, but don't forget the one you nicked off us for Webber's try.
Also saw some comments on Ardi Savea's captaincy. Can't say I was paying too much attention to it, so won't comment on that, but lordy he is playing some sublime rugby though!
And Jordy Barrett... never really rated him before, but I have to revise that view now. And he has some serious BMT when it comes to those clutch-moment penalties.
On the Bok side I thought Kwagga Smith played well, Duane Vermeulen is an absolute machine, and Lukhanyo Am is fast establishing himself as one of our best ever 13's to join the ranks of some illustrious predecessors like Danie Gerber and Jacques Fourie. His defence-organization is supreme, and he really is the creative force of our backline.
All-in-all a test match worthy of the proud rivalry between the AB's and Boks.
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@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Boet PSdT is a work horse. The type that you only miss when he isn't around. He is as good as 2 Hoopers.
Turn it up mate.
I reckon. One of the best SA players being twice as good as THE best Aussie player ?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Boet PSdT is a work horse. The type that you only miss when he isn't around. He is as good as 2 Hoopers.
Turn it up mate.
I reckon. One of the best SA players being twice as good as THE best Aussie player ?
If Hooper was a Saffa I'd pick him every day of the week.
I thought he and Quade were instrumental in the Aussie dismantling of the Boks.
(Not to mention some very smart running lines from the entire Aussie backline to unlock our defence).PSdT is a great player and we do miss him though.
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@billy-webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Boet PSdT is a work horse. The type that you only miss when he isn't around. He is as good as 2 Hoopers.
Turn it up mate.
I reckon. One of the best SA players being twice as good as THE best Aussie player ?
If Hooper was a Saffa I'd pick him every day of the week.
I thought he and Quade were instrumental in the Aussie dismantling of the Boks.
(Not to mention some very smart running lines from the entire Aussie backline to unlock our defence).PSdT is a great player and we do miss him though.
Oh absolutely, but twice as good ????
Christ, some sports fans write some hyperbolic bullshit sometimes ( and many kiwis are just as guilty )
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@billy-webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
PSdT is a great player and we do miss him though.
Agreed - awesome player and would help any team
BUT
Where does he play in that team?
Kwagga was great. Kolisi's the captain. Both your locks know their trade. Vermeulen is one of my favourite players at 8.
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@billy-webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
A couple of arbitrary observations from this Saffa:
Been reading some of the comments about the AB lineout... I don't think it struggled nearly as much as some of you seemed to think. I guess what hurt was losing one or two crucial ones, but don't forget the one you nicked off us for Webber's try.
And there was another that we fucked up hot on attack, which after two errors by Willie lead to Savea's try
Also saw some comments on Ardi Savea's captaincy. Lukhanyo Am is fast establishing himself as one of our best ever 13's to join the ranks of some illustrious predecessors like Danie Gerber and Jacques Fourie. His defence-organization is supreme, and he really is the creative force of our backline.
I am Am's biggest fan but there is still quite a lot of improvement required with his attacking play. For every piece of play like Saturday there is still a ball dropped cold like is Aus 1.
The biggest point of discussion from a SA point of view is probably Willie Le Roux - he was dreadful and it has been a very long time since he has added enough in the plus column to balance out games like Saturday.
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@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The biggest point of discussion from a SA point of view is probably Willie Le Roux - he was dreadful and it has been a very long time since he has added enough in the plus column to balance out games like Saturday.
Imagine if him and BB were in the same team on Saturday....yuuuuuck.
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@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nta Jesus - Kwagga was fine on Saturday (say 7.5/10), but PSdT has been churning out consistent 8s and 9s for the Boks and would be the first man picked if available.
Yes but that was 2 years ago and I understand he's a great player BUT you didn't answer the question
Who do you replace?I'm of the opinion if Kwagga Smith started against the Wallabies, the Boks win that first game and do much better in the second.
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@bones there is clear difference though, does Reece and Savea score without BB on the weekend? They don't without Willie fucking up multiple times in the buildup.
The thing is Willie isn't putting anything in plus column which is almost worse than the negatives.
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@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nta he starts at 7.
PSdT was great in the lion's series before injury.
Hardly what you'd call "rugby" tho
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@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bones there is clear difference though, does Reece and Savea score without BB on the weekend? They don't without Willie fucking up multiple times in the buildup.
The thing is Willie isn't putting anything in plus column which is almost worse than the negatives.
Le Roux has been pretty ordinary the last few games. Spends a lot of time complaining so maybe a move to scrum half is on the cards?
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@billy-webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
A couple of arbitrary observations from this Saffa:
A much better game to watch this week.
Obviously nice for me that the rugby gods chose to smile on the Boks this time around - but this game was ball-hair close again. 3 of them on this tour so it was about time we came out on the rights ide of thingsBeen reading some of the comments about the AB lineout... I don't think it struggled nearly as much as some of you seemed to think. I guess what hurt was losing one or two crucial ones, but don't forget the one you nicked off us for Webber's try.
Also saw some comments on Ardi Savea's captaincy. Can't say I was paying too much attention to it, so won't comment on that, but lordy he is playing some sublime rugby though!
And Jordy Barrett... never really rated him before, but I have to revise that view now. And he has some serious BMT when it comes to those clutch-moment penalties.
On the Bok side I thought Kwagga Smith played well, Duane Vermeulen is an absolute machine, and Lukhanyo Am is fast establishing himself as one of our best ever 13's to join the ranks of some illustrious predecessors like Danie Gerber and Jacques Fourie. His defence-organization is supreme, and he really is the creative force of our backline.
All-in-all a test match worthy of the proud rivalry between the AB's and Boks.
…all while chewing gum non-stop. Am is da man!
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@billy-webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
PSdT is a great player and we do miss him though.
Agreed - awesome player and would help any team
BUT
Where does he play in that team?
Kwagga was great. Kolisi's the captain. Both your locks know their trade. Vermeulen is one of my favourite players at 8.
That is a good question NTA.
Would change the balance and game plan a bit - on the assumption of it being a straight shoot-out with Kwagga.
Could be a horses-for-course kind of approach maybe. But assuming form is equal, my expectation would be PSdT gets to start and Kwagga would shift to the bench.
Very different players bringing different things - you may find that the sub is for Kolisi - not PSdT. -
@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bones there is clear difference though, does Reece and Savea score without BB on the weekend? They don't without Willie fucking up multiple times in the buildup.
The thing is Willie isn't putting anything in plus column which is almost worse than the negatives.
Le Roux has been pretty ordinary the last few games. Spends a lot of time complaining so maybe a move to scrum half is on the cards?
I think the assists stats show he's been involved in quite a few tries.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@billy-webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
PSdT is a great player and we do miss him though.
Agreed - awesome player and would help any team
BUT
Where does he play in that team?
Kwagga was great. Kolisi's the captain. Both your locks know their trade. Vermeulen is one of my favourite players at 8.
On pure rugby it would be Kolisi. But more than just a player to team.
