All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 is he saying the All Blacks were instructed to slow the game down? The week leading up to the test it was a mayor moan about the Springboks.
Shhhhhhhhh........You must have realized by now that a lot of shit is talked over here and we only moan when it affects our team.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Meanwhile, Ardie spent two minutes on extreme touchline (out of sight) whilst we got agressively counter rucked in centre of field.
From where I’m sitting a chip over the top would have been the smart play?Could have been that or a grubber for players to run onto. Either way there's nothing to hold up the rush defence, and no reason for the Boks to play a fullback in that space if they know the ABs are never kicking it.
I just booted up Stan to have a look at that exact moment - there are 2 ABs on the ground (ball carrier and assist), 2 Boks on the ground, Laulala standing there doing nothing, and Weber. Already you're 2 men down. The Boks have numbers there to match because Savea is still hands on knees on the wing - and very deep. BB gets the ball but hesitates under the rush - he's got nowhere to run or pass, so should have takent the contact or nudged it through.
The subsequent ruck is a mess, but Weber recovers. Then Kolisi pushes BB and Jacobson clear off the ball at the ruck forming over Weber, and Retallick is forced to toe it through as it squirts out.
To be fair there is some very good work before and Q4 on blind, with holes found and good cleans.
But in centre of park in broken play AB forwards spread out and meant no one hitting ball from depth, cleaners having to run across before hitting rucks, and backs sometimes having to do the cleaning. Very static and absolutely no momentum.
Whereas running through onto grubber (not much space to thread through), targets, faster ball and hopefully multi phases.
Yeah, there was one good attacking play into their 22m from a midfield scrum. Rather than pumping that channel where they were short of defenders and scrambling, we went back into midfield where the entire SA 8 had jogged back to after the scrum and, from memory, the play died with a turnover shortly thereafter.
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When you need him the most, Ardie Savea will be there
Even in losing sides, Ardie Savea always remains one of the best players on the park.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants yeah I'm not giving rugbypass any more money this year...
Oh it's premium? Yeah 20 bucks fine by me for a year, I think their analysis has improved. But really since it is owned by Sky it should be part of that sub.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
It might have been handy had Beaudy and Ritchie pulled it out when the odds made it the best play.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
It might have been handy had Beaudy and Ritchie pulled it out when the odds made it the best play.
Yeah. Like in the final moments of the last test. Roll it into the 22 and make the Boks go 80m to beat us
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
It might have been handy had Beaudy and Ritchie pulled it out when the odds made it the best play.
Yeah. Like in the final moments of the last test. Roll it into the 22 and make the Boks go 80m to beat us
DON'T!
Even the Yaapie commentators around the 50 were suggesting the ABs were trying to play too much football.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
It might have been handy had Beaudy and Ritchie pulled it out when the odds made it the best play.
Yeah. Like in the final moments of the last test. Roll it into the 22 and make the Boks go 80m to beat us
DON'T!
Even the Yaapie commentators around the 50 were suggesting the ABs were trying to play too much football.
Roll it as in kick it into touch around inside the bokke 22
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
It might have been handy had Beaudy and Ritchie pulled it out when the odds made it the best play.
Yeah. Like in the final moments of the last test. Roll it into the 22 and make the Boks go 80m to beat us
DON'T!
Even the Yaapie commentators around the 50 were suggesting the ABs were trying to play too much football.
Roll it as in kick it into touch around inside the bokke 22
STOP IT!
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
I have never liked the "no passing back into the 22 rule" as it means nobody want the ball 30 meters from their own line and I think the 50-22 is only going make it worse. I am willing to bet that most 50-22s are going to be like this match where one team clears to the opposition 10m, the opposing fullback will just try bangs it to the corner.
It is already too difficult to exit your own final third without penalties, making random calls way too important.
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@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
I have never liked the "no passing back into the 22 rule" as it means nobody want the ball 30 meters from their own line and I think the 50-22 is only going make it worse. I am willing to bet that most 50-22s are going to be like this match where one team clears to the opposition 10m, the opposing fullback will just try bangs it to the corner.
It is already too difficult to exit your own final third without penalties, making random calls way too important.
There are a few too many "assumptions" that referees make in the modern game that make having territory far more important than having possession. One is that a scrum going backwards must be penalised. Another is that a maul going forwards always earns a penalty. The other is that a team defending in its 22 is always offside.
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
I have never liked the "no passing back into the 22 rule" as it means nobody want the ball 30 meters from their own line and I think the 50-22 is only going make it worse. I am willing to bet that most 50-22s are going to be like this match where one team clears to the opposition 10m, the opposing fullback will just try bangs it to the corner.
It is already too difficult to exit your own final third without penalties, making random calls way too important.
There are a few too many "assumptions" that referees make in the modern game that make having territory far more important than having possession. One is that a scrum going backwards must be penalised. Another is that a maul going forwards always earns a penalty. The other is that a team defending in its 22 is always offside.
I mean territory has always been important.
If that graph is right SA won the territory 66% to 33%. That's absurd in a game mostly decided by penalties.
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@frye said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
I have never liked the "no passing back into the 22 rule" as it means nobody want the ball 30 meters from their own line and I think the 50-22 is only going make it worse. I am willing to bet that most 50-22s are going to be like this match where one team clears to the opposition 10m, the opposing fullback will just try bangs it to the corner.
It is already too difficult to exit your own final third without penalties, making random calls way too important.
There are a few too many "assumptions" that referees make in the modern game that make having territory far more important than having possession. One is that a scrum going backwards must be penalised. Another is that a maul going forwards always earns a penalty. The other is that a team defending in its 22 is always offside.
I mean territory has always been important.
If that graph is right SA won the territory 66% to 33%. That's absurd in a game mostly decided by penalties.
I don't disagree. The point I am making is that the game at the moment skews too heavily in favour of territory alone
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@frye said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sidbarret said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
ABs played much too much in their 22 to halfway. The 50/22 rules would seem to be an obvious tactic to add.
No one kicks it out for territory anymore
I have never liked the "no passing back into the 22 rule" as it means nobody want the ball 30 meters from their own line and I think the 50-22 is only going make it worse. I am willing to bet that most 50-22s are going to be like this match where one team clears to the opposition 10m, the opposing fullback will just try bangs it to the corner.
It is already too difficult to exit your own final third without penalties, making random calls way too important.
There are a few too many "assumptions" that referees make in the modern game that make having territory far more important than having possession. One is that a scrum going backwards must be penalised. Another is that a maul going forwards always earns a penalty. The other is that a team defending in its 22 is always offside.
I mean territory has always been important.
If that graph is right SA won the territory 66% to 33%. That's absurd in a game mostly decided by penalties.
Kicking to the centre makes sense when le Roux is there. Not so with Steyn.
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Were the AB forwards dominated? Certainly not in first half.
Scrums pretty much even. Lineouts? Boks lost two: on 5m line and overthrow when BBBR challenged in middle. ABs took one quick throw and Taylor threw in five. Four were won, but Etzebeth got an arm to one thrown to Scottie. One to BBBR off top and the Akira one at back which led to Savea try. 3/5 to front.
Probably why Bok front row, and in particular, hooker replaced. Marx only had one lineout not secured, but Vermeulin caught that but dropped it under pressure from Akira.
Second half?
No AB throw ins from halftime to 58! This was a period when ABs were under pressure and largely in own half. My hunch is that Boks made a decision not to kick to touch! If so, it worked.
Aumua threw in all five throws in last 22 minutes. One to Akira at back. Four at front. None to BBBR.
Were ABs unconfident in his throwing? That would also explain RM kicking from own 22 to miss touch.
Of four to front, one botch to Kitshoff (why not to middle -- Boks don't jump?), and one was flailing Etzebeth arm knocks ball out of Akira's hands (Not a knock on BTW).
So strong implication that Aumua's throwing was critical weakness in last quarter.
No lineouts lost in middle and back, but only 3/10 thrown there.
What is certain is that in the one quarter in which Boks were better team it wasn't because of AB lineout.
Even Bok mauls were largely contained.
My conclusion is that in that period the dominance by Boks principally because of their vastly superior use of kicks. Steyn substitution was key.
