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@victor-meldrew only for you old bastards
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Chairman Mark introduces Vaccine Passport for Wales even though we’re 70% double jabbed; hospitalisations and deaths remain low; and we’re in Level Zero
Fuck off
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Do we know why AZ isn't being used a booster vaccine anyone? Can anyone explain it in RL friendly terms?
Also will the booster be more effective for those who had the same initial course. Eg Pfizer 1 +2 and booster vs AZ 1+2 and Pfizer booster.
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I would imagine it’s something to do with the scaling. AZ was a lot easier to transport and store, which would have been a factor in the initial roll out. Also AZ are under a lot of pressure to provide vaccines elsewhere so maybe availability comes into it?
Anyway, ask Bill Gates he will know.
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@r-l said in Coronavirus - UK:
Do we know why AZ isn't being used a booster vaccine anyone? Can anyone explain it in RL friendly terms?
Also will the booster be more effective for those who had the same initial course. Eg Pfizer 1 +2 and booster vs AZ 1+2 and Pfizer booster.
I mean I hope they know as huge amounts of the elderly population were given AZ weren't they?Looks like the AZ vaccine isn't as effective as the mRNA ones as a booster.
Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of Covid-19 Immunisation for the JCVI, said the committee selected the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines because they use mRNA technologies, which he claimed provided “a very good immune boost” in studies. There is understood to be more available scientific evidence about the long-term efficacy of mRNA jabs over other vaccines. The JCVI cited data from the Cov-Boost trial published last week by University Hospital Southampton, which indicated that the Pfizer vaccine is well-tolerated as a third dose among patients and provides a strong booster response. It added that the Moderna vaccine should be offered as a half-dose, after data from the Cov-Boost study suggested a full dose of the jab was unnecessary for comprehensive protection.
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/astrazeneca-vaccine-not-offered-booster-jab-rollout-1199287
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@victor-meldrew Plus the chipset in AZ isn't forward compatible with Windows 11
Seriously though, they are starting to trial an improved AZ booster shot here as well.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-28-first-trial-participants-vaccinated-oxford-covid-19-variant-vaccine -
So the Senedd (Welsh Parliament) has voted in a Covid Passport system.
Those in favour won by 1 vote.
A Tory Minister was at the Tory Party Conference in Manchester and was unable to vote via zoom.
If he had been there would have been a stalemate.
I’m fucking livid.
Firstly at the incompetence of the Tory Senedd Member who chose to go to the conference and who subsequently couldn’t log in to vote
Either he should have been there in person or been able to vote by proxy.
If he’d voted then it would have been stalemate
But he knew the rules and fucked up and should be shit canned IMHO
Secondly, the smirk on Drakeford’s face through the whole episode was very disappointing, almost insidious.
And thirdly, I don’t understand why if you’re double jabbed you need to worry / give a shit about coming in to contact with someone who isn’t.
If they get ill because of you then quite frankly fuck them.
Welsh Labour acting more like the Communist Party
fluffybunnies
How they’re going to get 75,000 through the turnstiles for the NZ match is beyond me.
All I know is I’m going very early to avoid disappointment
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If you’re looking to avoid disappointment you’ll probably need to leave early too mate. 😎
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
If you’re looking to avoid disappointment you’ll probably need to leave early too mate. 😎
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
And thirdly, I don’t understand why if you’re double jabbed you need to worry / give a shit about coming in to contact with someone who isn’t.
If they get ill because of you then quite frankly fuck them.
I have been trying to get my head around this too. Putting aside other things like passports/rights etc and all that palaver this is what I have worked out the theories might be.
If high vax rates in society are a good thing to reduce spread and impact then even higher rates (eg 100%) where you can control it are even better.
If say 80% is good in normal life and incidental contact then in crowded scenarios (sports/concerts etc) it needs to be higher.
If a crowd is a sample of society then the un-vaxxed numbers in a big crowd are high eg 20% of 50k =10k and those people then become a problem.
This is also a carrot to get vax rates up.Now, lots of those things have layers and can be argued as to how logical or true they are but added together they form a fairly compelling argument.
One of the things that this pandemic has really shown in societies across the world is that there is a group of people that will stubbornly argue at the minor points without accepting the overall weight of evidence. They will also argue that those minor points add up to a weight of evidence in their standpoint and it does. It just doesn't out weigh the other side.Using vax passports as a carrot/stick is a pretty blunt tool that will only work on a small % of the unwilling IMO. There will be people who have just been lazy or slow and FOMO is what will get them moving but it isn't the biggest driver.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
One of the things that this pandemic has really shown in societies across the world is that there is a group of people that will stubbornly argue at the minor points without accepting the overall weight of evidence.
In the UK we call them Guardian and Daily Mail columnists....
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Winter 'Flu & Covid booster jab booked for next week. Our local health Centre is really pushing hard to get these out to people before mid-November.
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Case numbers here are high, although still about 1/3rd of what the modellers predicted post July Freedom Day. This has risen from about 20%.
Hospital usage and deaths have moved up too, but from a very low base so the % increase looks large. Both were also running at 20% of what modellers predicted in July.
Every age group has >90% covid antibodies, and the older ones >95%.
Yet there is an increasing clamour from the media / health "experts" / Labour to lock down again, mandate face masks / close schools / encourage WFH etc.
This seems insane to me. If the UK with our vaccination coverage and antibody levels still have to lockdown over winter, then this is the new normal for everyone forever. Even if covid magically disappears (it won't) they will be another cold/flu etc that will result in the same shit every year. I really hope the government doesn't cave to this pressure. It's so worrying.
Booster shots are being rolled out to over 50s and the vulnerable here, and the critics say this needs to happen faster, which is fair enough.
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@sparky I don't agree masks are fine. The type that are mostly worn do basically nothing. It's all theatre.
70 to 93 percent of all human communication is nonverbal. Getting rid of facial expressions in public settings for multiple years is going to mess people up, expecially young people.
Given they are almost useless, the amount of waste masks generate that all goes to landfill is also a shame. Not to mention the litter.
Finally, masks are a visual signal to everyone that we're still in a dangerous pandemic, when we're not. If you let mask mandates sneak in, then it propagates the climate of fear that makes other draconian measures more likely.
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Just heard Sunak on the news say that there will be no more lockdowns, closures of hospitality or closures of retail as the vaccines have prevented all of this.
So that's pretty positive on that front as thats a pretty pragmatic approach if you ask me. I don't think we can get away with doing nothing, but you must remember there is a huge media presence in this country who think their sole job is to disagree with every single thing the government says. So if they say lockdown, the same media right now saying we must, will suddenly switch to we mustn't.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
Finally, masks are a visual signal to everyone that we're still in a dangerous pandemic.
The UK is still in a dangerous pandemic (see below). Look I want this thing to be over as much as anyone but there are still over 100 deaths a day (with covid) in the UK and over 40,000 new cases. Masks do some good and are helping other countries drive down cases.
Once there are fewer Covid caass and deaths than traffic accidents in the UK then I will gladly drop the mask.
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@tewaio About 5% of the Population ain't producing antibodies after the vaccinations. Unless you are willing for them to get sick, then cases numbers matter. I would rather have the (frankly minor) inconvenience of a mask indoors for the winter than scores of other people dying.
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The thing is though that any sane person would be happy to bear that same inconvenience to save thousands of lives, but where does the line get drawn? 60 million mask wearers to save 1,000 lives or 100 lives or 10,000 lives? Add in that the science here is far from conclusive and it is no wonder that there is some push back.
Lots of stats being bandied about, x number of cases? So what? If there is not the same surge in hospitalisations, where is the problem? People dying with covid? A more meaningful stat would be people dying of covid but that seems to be not measurable. In the UK a death certificate will list many possible contributory causes of death, but this does not mean any of them are necessarily THE cause of death. Excess deaths could well be more relevant.
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