All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky dont be, we will get schooled, set yourself up for it now...
And even if we do, NZR will be all about 'learnings' and 'growth' and 'how hard this tour was' rather than ditching Friar Foster the Mediocre
you lack the faith! Foster and co are very prepared for this match!
Just like the last one. Oh. -
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
1 moody (De Groot on bench?)
2 Samisoni
3 Toughie! Is Ofa available?
4 Retallick (Vaa'i bench cover for lock)
5 Whitelock
6 Jacobson or Akira Ioane
7 Papalii yeah I'm guessing they won't risk Cane
8 Sotutu or Jacobson I'm guessing with Ardie on bench (or will they play Ardie at 8 and bench Blackadder?)
9 Smith (and Weber?)
10Barrettnope as Chris says, has to be Richie
11 R Ioane nope due to 13 issue, Reece or Foster may pick the pace and power of Bridge
12 Tupaea yes
13ALBHas to be Ioane, only alternative is Ennor?
14 Jordan
15 J BarrettI would give Retallick the bench spot. He is not going to be there for next World Cup. Akira has to start, Paps and Savea because they won’t look past him. Not my choice at 8 though. The props are another issue.
But as to preparation I would tell the backs to remember the days the ball did not get past the 2nd five until we learn how to play up the middle. It’s simple. You win games against good teams in the forwards.
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I'm also worried about Sam Whitelock. His big engine has a lot of miles.
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@nostrildamus Someone had the NZR needs to be firmer with the Crusaders and limit his ganeline with them. Every year, come November, Whitelock is running on fumes.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky dont be, we will get schooled, set yourself up for it now...
And even if we do, NZR will be all about 'learnings' and 'growth' and 'how hard this tour was' rather than ditching Friar Foster the Mediocre
you lack the faith! Foster and co are very prepared for this match!
Just like the last one. Oh.Very excited about it too! Excited to add another black mark on what was once a pretty shiny record... first loss to Ire, getting spanked by same, first loss to Arg, record loss to Oz, Record loss full stop, pathetic lame draw versus very limited Gatland Lions... the list goes on what the Late Hansen/Foster regime has acheived. Moments they will be proud of their learnings and growth
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus Someone had the NZR needs to be firmer with the Crusaders and limit his ganeline with them. Every year, come November, Whitelock is running on fumes.
Yes and it is very noticeable with BBBR not quite at his peak.
I actually wondered if they were deliberately burying Brodie, he was on the ground a lot under bodies and unable to swoop with his big wingspan. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky dont be, we will get schooled, set yourself up for it now...
Main learning from this weekend is that the golden age of NZ Rugby is long gone. Big reform is needed to make us more competitive, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
France by 10+.
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky dont be, we will get schooled, set yourself up for it now...
And even if we do, NZR will be all about 'learnings' and 'growth' and 'how hard this tour was' rather than ditching Friar Foster the Mediocre
you lack the faith! Foster and co are very prepared for this match!
Just like the last one. Oh.Very excited about it too! Excited to add another black mark on what was once a pretty shiny record... first loss to Ire, getting spanked by same, first loss to Arg, record loss to Oz, Record loss full stop, pathetic lame draw versus very limited Gatland Lions... the list goes on what the Late Hansen/Foster regime has acheived. Moments they will be proud of their learnings and growth
Plus Ireland probably now think they can win the majority of games against us.
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@nzzp covid has done alot of harm to rugby at all levels in nz, on and off the park.
Next year (and next week) is gonna be some tough times for nz rugby.
Poor coaching and planning at the top, limited super rugby, disrupted npc, messed up season with being away for so long, just a shit show really.
I ain't chicken littling, just think we best sit town, strap in and prepare for a ride...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky dont be, we will get schooled, set yourself up for it now...
And even if we do, NZR will be all about 'learnings' and 'growth' and 'how hard this tour was' rather than ditching Friar Foster the Mediocre
you lack the faith! Foster and co are very prepared for this match!
Just like the last one. Oh.Very excited about it too! Excited to add another black mark on what was once a pretty shiny record... first loss to Ire, getting spanked by same, first loss to Arg, record loss to Oz, Record loss full stop, pathetic lame draw versus very limited Gatland Lions... the list goes on what the Late Hansen/Foster regime has acheived. Moments they will be proud of their learnings and growth
Plus Ireland probably now think they can win the majority of games against us.
Well, home games and neutral venues aside from RWCs I guess....
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky dont be, we will get schooled, set yourself up for it now...
And even if we do, NZR will be all about 'learnings' and 'growth' and 'how hard this tour was' rather than ditching Friar Foster the Mediocre
you lack the faith! Foster and co are very prepared for this match!
Just like the last one. Oh.Very excited about it too! Excited to add another black mark on what was once a pretty shiny record... first loss to Ire, getting spanked by same, first loss to Arg, record loss to Oz, Record loss full stop, pathetic lame draw versus very limited Gatland Lions... the list goes on what the Late Hansen/Foster regime has acheived. Moments they will be proud of their learnings and growth
Plus Ireland probably now think they can win the majority of games against us.
Well, home games and neutral venues aside from RWCs I guess....
I think they will be confident at RWCs as well. We shall see.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus Someone had the NZR needs to be firmer with the Crusaders and limit his ganeline with them. Every year, come November, Whitelock is running on fumes.
then at the ABs they should replace him earlier?
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fuck Foster, fuck his assistants, fuck the NZR, fuck the NZ Rugby Media for pretending our mediocre team are World beaters.
I don't think the ABs are mediocre, they're just not the clear no 1 team from 2010-2015. The top 8 is now a lot more competitive, anyone can win against anyone on their day.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus Someone had the NZR needs to be firmer with the Crusaders and limit his ganeline with them. Every year, come November, Whitelock is running on fumes.
then at the ABs they should replace him earlier (in the game, with the bench lock)?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky dont be, we will get schooled, set yourself up for it now...
And even if we do, NZR will be all about 'learnings' and 'growth' and 'how hard this tour was' rather than ditching Friar Foster the Mediocre
you lack the faith! Foster and co are very prepared for this match!
Just like the last one. Oh.Very excited about it too! Excited to add another black mark on what was once a pretty shiny record... first loss to Ire, getting spanked by same, first loss to Arg, record loss to Oz, Record loss full stop, pathetic lame draw versus very limited Gatland Lions... the list goes on what the Late Hansen/Foster regime has acheived. Moments they will be proud of their learnings and growth
Plus Ireland probably now think they can win the majority of games against us.
Well, home games and neutral venues aside from RWCs I guess....
I think they will be confident at RWCs as well. We shall see.
Yeah, the aura is waning on them
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The thing is, our players rugby intelligence is being exposed. Ruthlessly.
We don't have stronger, faster or more skilled players any more, and we don't have the rugby intelligence. It's really scary looking forward; sustained mediocrity is likely
Heretic. It's an accepted truth sacking Foster will make us world-beaters in weeks - read it on this inter-web thingy.
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@victor-meldrew
That's a complete strawman. The point of getting Foster out is that he is not good enough. Simple as that. He was picked with zero credentials as a head coach and purely on nepotism. Probably 80% of fans didn't want him to get the job and we are proven right on a near weekly basis. When we rolled Italy, almost everyone knew we still played shockingly bad so this isn't a kneejerk to losing. I am happier losing when we play well than a comfortable win where we play poorly. Because I know rolling second tier team means nothing if the team isn't clinical, when you are clinical you can apply it to a higher level of opposition. I still think we have the players to be playing much better even if this isn't the 2015 vintage.Foster out is not a magic bullet or panacea, it's just a simple fact that he isn't good enough to be the coach of the number one ranked side.
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@tordah said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fuck Foster, fuck his assistants, fuck the NZR, fuck the NZ Rugby Media for pretending our mediocre team are World beaters.
I don't think the ABs are mediocre, they're just not the clear no 1 team from 2010-2015. The top 8 is now a lot more competitive, anyone can win against anyone on their day.
Yeah, I'm not finding the last two years (any) worse than 1998 or the early 00s or the early 90s.
