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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Duluth
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    As expected...

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300482425/tenwicket-hero-ajaz-patel-misses-black-caps-squad-for-test-series-v-bangladesh

    Black Caps squad: Tom Latham (captain), Devon Conway, Will Young, Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, Daryl Mitchell, Tom Blundell, Rachin Ravindra, Kyle Jamieson, Matt Henry, Tim Southee, Neil Wagner, Trent Boult.

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    I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...

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    @donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:

    I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...

    Henry is a waste of a selection. He’ll only play if one of the other seamers is injured. A really ordinary record reminiscent of some of our seamers in the 90s too.

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    @mn5 Can they go outside the squad if there is an injury? Or are they restricted to the initial selection to make it a level playing field?

    If the squad is the squad then it sort of makes sense. Otherwise....

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    @mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:

    @donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:

    I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...

    Henry is a waste of a selection. He’ll only play if one of the other seamers is injured. A really ordinary record reminiscent of some of our seamers in the 90s too.

    I feel like Henry really shows how far the black caps have come. He's a genuine spearhead at first class level, tearing it up. But for whatever reason in hasn't clicked at test level. 10 years ago he'd still be starting tests and we'd be talking ourselves into believing that he can make it as a test bowler. Now he's a depth piece who is probably adding value by showing up and comers the level they need to beat and keeping pressure on the starters.

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    @mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:

    @donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:

    I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...

    Henry is a waste of a selection. He’ll only play if one of the other seamers is injured. A really ordinary record reminiscent of some of our seamers in the 90s too.

    Isn't that literally why he is selected in the squad?

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    Stuff

    Conway and Wagner are slated to play in a two-day warm up against Bangladesh - assuming the conditions are favourable to Wagner's style of bowling, otherwise he may be carrying the drinks.

    Pringle Jr and Cumming Jr are also in the squad.

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    Ma'ara Ave one of the few players of Pacifika heritage in first class cricket. Full name Mea Tangi Me Ma'ara Joshua Ave. Cook Islands Heritage through his Paternal Grandfather.

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    @rotated. Keen to see how young Tim Pringle goes. Have watched him a bit in juniors.

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    @rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:

    Stuff

    Pringle Jr and Cumming Jr are also in the squad.

    Are these guys any good? Anyone seen them play? I see Cumming is only 18 so he must be handy to.be getting a run at that age.

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    @crazy-horse said in NZ cricket 2021:

    @rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:

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    Pringle Jr and Cumming Jr are also in the squad.

    Are these guys any good? Anyone seen them play? I see Cumming is only 18 so he must be handy to.be getting a run at that age.

    Lets’s hope they’re more Tom Latham than Hamish Rutherford….

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    Looks like spinners had a field day in that game.

    Same venue as first test, for the squad Ajaz didnt even make the 13. Hmmm.

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    @rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:

    Looks like spinners had a field day in that game.

    Same venue as first test, for the squad Ajaz didnt even make the 13. Hmmm.

    Probably needed to take all 20 wickets in the match to get a shot

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    @rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:

    Looks like spinners had a field day in that game.

    Same venue as first test, for the squad Ajaz didnt even make the 13. Hmmm.

    Yes- it was real food for thought. They may have erred badly in omitting Patel from the squad. Mind you, it was probably the worst of the 8 or so strips on the oval.

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    Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?

    This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.

    If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.

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    @rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:

    If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.

    from 2019, bur relevant. Our pitches don't favour spinners. It's a four pronged pace attack for mine

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/111045694/four-tests-82-overs-since-a-black-caps-spinner-last-struck-at-home

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  • MN5M Offline
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    @rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:

    Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?

    This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.

    If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.

    Probably the most sensible cricket post I’ve ever read and nice analogy.

    Ajaz will be forgotten when the four seamers are tearing through the bangies.

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  • MN5M Offline
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    @nzzp said in NZ cricket 2021:

    @rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:

    If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.

    from 2019, bur relevant. Our pitches don't favour spinners. It's a four pronged pace attack for mine

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/111045694/four-tests-82-overs-since-a-black-caps-spinner-last-struck-at-home

    They don’t favour them but some have been extremely poor too

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    @rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:

    Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?

    This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.

    If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.

    I think you've made a strawman for yourself.

    It's a 13, not an 11.

    I wouldn't pick Patel in a home 11 with the current resources we have and the type of pitches we produce.

    But a 13 should give some options for unexpected pitch conditions or last minute injury.

    Patel would actually cover for all 4 bowlers in the squad (as Jamieson and Wagner can slide up one spot if an opener pulls out). Where as Henry only covers the 2 opening bowlers. His record as 3rd seamer or lower is appalling.

    So, IMO, Patel would be a better squad inclusion.

    But. I do actually hope Southee gets rested for 1 match and Henry gets a game this series, as opening bowler.

    Patel will be OK getting some actual games for CD after his Auckland lockdown spring.

    The 4 seamers plus Ravindra balance is heading towards the on-paper holy grail balance. So, they'll play Mitchell ....

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    Beccause Mt Maunganui , and Hamilton, is one of the few modern venues in NZ where picking a spinner can be worth while.

    But, they have groundsmen in their pockets these days. So no dramas.

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