It's here! ... Team of the Year
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@delicatessen said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
@machpants said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
@toddy said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
@machpants any chance you can also post the players he picks so I don't have to watch it
@delicatessen What's the spoiler code? The help doesn't help!
Yeah sorry I can't help either
just presumed it was doable.I'm sure it is, but ask the ones I've used on different forums don't work here
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@antipodean said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
Oh
::: no such luck then, @delicatessen ! :::
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Results so far:
15 Jordie Barrett
14 Will Jordan
13 Lukanyo Am
12 Samu Kerevi
11 Rieko Ioane
10 Romaine Ntamack
9 Antoine Dupont
8 Duane Vermuelen/Ardie Savea (tie)
7 Michael Hooper
6 Siya Kolisi
5 Eben Etsebeth
4 Maro Itoje
3 Tahdg Furlong
2 Samisoni Taukei'aho
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@tim said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
Results so far:
15 Jordie Barrett
14 Will Jordan
13 Lukanyo Am
12 Samu Kerevi
11 Rieko Ioane
10 Romaine Ntamack
9 Antoine Dupont
8 Duane Vermuelen/Ardie Savea (tie)
7 Michael Hooper
6 Siya Kolisi
5 Eben Etsebeth
4 Maro Itoje
3 Tahdg Furlong
2 Samisoni Taukei'aho
1 Steven KitshoffJordie Barrett is Fern World FullBack of the year?
Ferners are fucking morons
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@hooroo who should be there instead? Jordie was one of the best all year, despite the French game.
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@hooroo said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
@tim said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
Results so far:
15 Jordie Barrett
14 Will Jordan
13 Lukanyo Am
12 Samu Kerevi
11 Rieko Ioane
10 Romaine Ntamack
9 Antoine Dupont
8 Duane Vermuelen/Ardie Savea (tie)
7 Michael Hooper
6 Siya Kolisi
5 Eben Etsebeth
4 Maro Itoje
3 Tahdg Furlong
2 Samisoni Taukei'aho
1 Steven KitshoffJordie Barrett is Fern World FullBack of the year?
Ferners are fucking morons
I think it's well known I've been no fan of Jordie's over the years, but even I agree with this decision (and voted for him). But, as you note, I'm as much as a moron as anyone else on here.
Maro Itoje being there is more of a ? for me but I only saw him play a few games, so assume he was godlike in the ones I missed.
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@canes4life said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
@hooroo who should be there instead? Jordie was one of the best all year, despite the French game.
I’d put Stuart Hogg on account of his Scottishness
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@tim said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
Results so far:
5 Eben Etsebeth
4 Maro Itoje
3 Tahdg Furlong
2 Samisoni Taukei'aho
1 Steven KitshoffWhat does that tell us about our ability to go forward under our current tactics?
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For the first time in the recorded history(1) of The Silver Fern Team of the Year New Zealand do not have the highest number of representatives (New Zealand’s representation has been eclipsed for the first time in TOTY history with World Champions, Lion Tamers and world’s top ranked team South Africa topping the polling this year in the world’s most authoritative determination of the worlds’ best rugby players.
The All Blacks tally of a mere four representatives is their lowest ever total, surpassing(2) their previous low score of five in 2007 when they shared the billing with World Cup winners South Africa.
This time South Africa outstripped the Kiwis providing five representatives, including four in the forwards, reflective of their maintained position at the top of the World Rugby rankings.
The Bok’s represetnatives included two thirds of the loosforwards, with inspirational skipper Siya Kolisi on the blindside (in a well contested poll) and warhorse Duane Vermeulen selected at Number 8.
The selections of Lock Eben Estebeth and loosehead prop Steven Kitshoff give South Africa 40% of the tight forwards.
Lukanyo Am’s great form was rewarded with selection at centre.New Zealand’s strength in this year’s TSF TOTY is the back three, which was exclusively occupied by All Blacks. World Rugby Break Through Player of the Year and try scoring machine Will Jordan makes the right wing, while Rieko Ioane becomes Karl Marx Award recipient as the year’s best left winger (as well as polling noticeably for the centre position) . The ever improving Jordie Barret takes on the custodian role at the back.
Perhaps indicative of New Zealand’s chequered results in 2021 is the fact that their only forward is 2021 debutante and usual bench hooker Samisoni Taukei’aho, with only 48% of the votes. Admittedly his All Blacks team mate Dane Coles also polled at 20% for the same position.
The building feeling that France are developing as potential favourites for their home World Cup in 2023 (crikey, that’s only next year) is reflected in the selection of their young and exciting halves paring of Antoine Dupont and Romaine Ntamack. Dupont gets the nod at halfback with 70% dominating the vote, shouldering out Aaron Smith in what most right thinking people would consider a major surprise. Ntamack’s selection with 48% of the votes was a little closer in a relatively even contest.
Australia are the other team with multiple representatives in 2021. Both open side Michael Hooper and second five-eighth Samu Kerevi dominant selections in their various positions.
England and Ireland provide one player each.
Englishman Maro Itoje joins Etsebeth in the second row, benefiting from unabated media hype and on-field histrionics (and the occasional highlight reel moment), whereas Ireland’s Tahdg Furlong choice at tighthead prop for his all round excellence beat back a very strong field.
The dual coaching team of Faben Galthie (France) and Simon Middleton (England Women) guides 2021’s TSF TOTY in their proposed matches against any Martian invaders.
The organising committee would like to thank the judges for nearly getting it right.
The 2021 TSF Team of the Year is:
No. Surname First Name Country % of vote . 2021 1 KISTHOFF Steven RSA 56% 2 TAUKEI'AHO Samisoni NZL 48% 3 FURLONG Tahdg IRE 68% 4 ITOJE Maro ENG 10% 5 ETSEBETH Eben RSA 41% 6 KOLISI Siya RSA 58% 7 HOOPER Michael AUS 76% 8 VERMEULEN Duane RSA 54% 9 DUPONT Antoine FRA 70% 10 NTAMACK Romaine FRA 45% 12 KEREVI Samu AUS 78% 13 AM Lukanyo RSA 50% 11 IOANE Rieko NZL 60% 14 JORDAN Will NZL 93% 15 BARRET Jordan NZL 67% coach GALTHJIE Fabien FRA 33% . MIDDLETON Simon ENGW 33%
(1) with the possible exception of 2019 when Kirwan ran the competition, and unfortunately I don’t have access to those results … and those years when I messed up the running (2017) or didn’t run it (2018, 2020) or didn’t keep a record (2014) …
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A full(ish) history of the TOTY:
(Bear with me as try and sort the formatting ...
No. Surname First Name Country % of vote 2005 1. Woodcock Tony NZL 79.7% 2. Mealamu Keven NZL 57.7% 3. Hayman Carl NZL 97.0% 4. Williams Ali NZL 63.4% 5. Matfield Victor RSA 77.4% 6. Collins Jerry NZL 56.4% 7. McCaw Richie NZL 88.4% 8. So'oialo Rodney NZL 37.8% 9. Ellisalde Jean-Baptiste FRA 39.2% 10. Carter Dan NZL 93.3% 12. Umaga Tana NZL 77.4% 13. Jauzion Yannick FRA 62.0% 11. Habana Brian RSA 45.0% 14. Rokocoko Joe NZL 57.8% 15. Latham Chris AUS 43.2% 2006 1. Woodcock Tony NZL 70.0% 2. Mealamu Keven NZL 71.0% 3. Hayman Carl NZL 91.0% 4. Matfield Victor RSA 58.0% 5. O’Connell Paul IRE 44.0% 6. Collins Jerry NZL 70.0% 7. McCaw Richie NZL 74.0% 8. So'oialo Rodney NZL 47.0% 9. Kelleher Byron NZL 32.0% 10. Carter Daniel NZL 93.0% 12. McAlister Luke NZL 30.0% 13. O’Driscoll Brian IRE 62.0% 11. Sivivatu Sitiveni NZL 64.0% 14. Rokocoko Josevata NZL 68.0% 15. Latham Chris AUS 49.0% 2007 1. Sheridan Andrew ENG 40.0% 2. Smit John RSA 64.6% 3. Hayman Carl NZL 66.7% 4. Matfield Victor RSA 85.8% 5. Williams Ali NZL 62.0% 6. Collins Jerry NZL 68.1% 7. McCaw Richie NZL 45.5% 8. Longo Gonzalo ARG 40.4% 9. du Preez Fourie RSA 60.0% 10. Hernandez Juan Martin ARG 61.7% 12. Contepomi Philippe ARG 57.6% 13. Mortlock Stirling AUS 75.0% 11. Habana Brian RSA 87.4% 14. Howlett Doug NZL 78.2% 15. Montgomery Percy RSA 42.2% 2008 1. Woodcock Tony NZL 80.0% 2. Moore Stephen AUS 33.0% 2. Hore Andrew NZL 33.0% 3. Somerville Greg NZL 57.0% 4. Williams Ali NZL 50.0% 5. Thorn Brad NZL 80.0% 6. Kaino Jerome NZL 64.0% 7. McCaw Richard NZL 90.0% 8. So'oialo Rodney NZL 74.0% 9. Weepu Piri NZL 28.0% 10. Carter Daniel NZL 100.0% 12. Mortlock Stirling AUS 38.0% 12. de Villiers Jean RSA 38.0% 12. Nonu Ma’a NZL 66.0% 13. Smith Conrad NZL 38.0% 11. Sivivatu Sitiveni NZL 52.0% 14. Williams Shane WAL 52.0% 15. Muliaina Mils NZL 83.0% 2009 1. WOODCOCK Tony NZL 43% 2. DuPLESSIS Bismark RSA 71% 3. CASTROGIOVANNI Martin ITA 53% 4. BOTHA Bakkies RSA 50% 5. MATFIELD Victor RSA 78% 6. DUSAUTOIR Thierry FRA 27% 7. McCAW Richie NZL 71% 8. SPIES Pierre RSA 37% 9. DuPREEZ Fourie RSA 81% 10. CARTER Dan NZL 80% 12. ROBERTS Jamie WAL 64% 13. SMITH Conrad NZL 74% 11. SIVIVATU Sitiveni NZL 66% 14. JANE Cory NZL 64% 15. KEARNEY Rob IRE 58% 2010 1. JENKINS Gethin WAL 58% 2. MEALAMU Keven NZL 56% 3. CASTROGIOVANNI Martin ITA 36% 4. MATFIELD Victor RSA 58% 5. THORN Brad NZL 60% 6. KAINO Jerome NZL 86% 7. McCaw Richard NZL 81% 8. READ Kieran NZL 91% 9. YOUNGS Ben ENG 33% 10. CARTER Daniel NZL 95% 12. NONU Ma’a NZL 85% 13. SMITH Conrad NZL 53% 11. MITCHELL Drew AUS 52% 14. JANE Corey NZL 74% 15. MULIAINA Malili NZL 52.50% 2011 1. WOODCOCK Tony NZL 66% 2. MEALAMU Keven NZL 64% 3. FRANKS Owen NZL 88% 4. THORN Brad NZL 73% 5. MATFIELD Victor RSA 41% 6. KAINO Jerome NZL 100% 7. McCAW Richard NZL 61% 8. READ Kieran NZL 43% 9. GENIA Will AUS 30% 10. CARTER Dan NZL 82% 12. NONU Ma'a NZL 94% 13. SMITH Conrad NZL 89% 11. IOANE Digby AUS 86% 14. O'CONNOR James AUS 49% 15. BEALE Kurtley AUS 60% 2012 1 TAUMALOLO Sona TGA 45% 2 HORE Andrew NZL 88% 3 JONES Adam WAL 45% 4 SHARPE Nathan AUS 62% 5 WHITELOCK Samuel NZL 58% 6 LOBBE Juan Fernandez ARG 35% 7 McCAW Richard NZL 97% 8 READ Kieran NZL 76% 9 FOTUALI'I Kahn SAM 84% 10 CARTER Dan NZL 83% 12 WILLIAMS Sonny Bill NZL 69% 13 SMITH Conrad NZL 84% 11 SAVEA Julian NZL 80% 14 JANE Corey NZL 93% 15 DAGG Israel NZL 67% coach HANSEN Steve NZL 58% 2013 1 CORBISERO Alex ENG 52% 2 Du PLESSIS Bismark RSA 81% 3 JONES Adam WAL 59% 4 RETALLICK Brodie NZL 79% 5 WHITELOCK Samuel NZL 71% 6 MESSAM Liam NZL 60% 7 HOOPER Michael AUS 40% 8 READ Kieran NZL 100% 9 SMITH Aaron NZL 72% 10 CRUDEN Aaron NZL 65% 12 FOFANA Wesley FRA 57% 13 SMITH Conrad NZL 96% 11 SAVEA Julian NZL 63% 14 SMITH Benjamin NZL 92% 15 HALFPENNY Leigh WAL 62% coach HANSEN Steve NZL 90% 2014 oops … sorry … 2015 1 AYERZA Marcos ARG 62% 2 COLES Dane NZL 65% 3 HERRERA Ramiro ARG 40% 3 KEPU Sekope AUS 40% 4 RETTALLICK Brodie NZL 90% 5 WHITELOCK Samuel NZL 86% 6 FARDY Scott AUS 39% 7 McCAW Richard NZL 100% 8 POCOCK David AUS 38% 9 SMITH Aaron NZL 100% 10 CARTER Daniel NZL 95% 12 NONU Ma'a NZL 100% 13 SMITH Conrad NZL 56% 11 IMHOFF Juan ARG 45% 14 MILNER-SKUDDER Nehe NZL 73% 15 SMITH Ben NZL 74% coach HANSEN Steve NZL 74% 2016 1 McGRATH Jack IRE 67% 2 COLES Dane NZL 90% 3 FRANKS Owen NZL 61% 4 RETALLICK Brodie NZL 72% 5 WHITELOCK Samuel NZL 88% 6 KAINO Jerome NZL 58% 7 CANE Sam NZL 30% 8 ISA Facundo ARG 60% 9 SMITH Aaron NZL 42% 10 BARRETT Beauden NZL 100% 12 HENSHAW Robbie IRE 40% 13 LIENERT-BROWN Anton NZL 42% 11 ZEBO Simon IRE 47% 14 DAGG Israel NZL 79% 15 SMITH Ben NZL 100% coach JONES Eddie ENG 58% 2021 1 KISTHOFF Steven RSA 56% 2 TAUKEI'AHO Samisoni NZL 48% 3 FURLONG Tahdg IRE 68% 4 ITOJE Maro ENG 10% 5 ETSEBETH Eben RSA 41% 6 KOLISI Siya RSA 58% 7 HOOPER Michael AUS 76% 8 VERMEULEN Duane RSA 54% 9 DUPONT Antoine FRA 70% 10 NTAMACK Romaine FRA 45% 12 KEREVI Samu AUS 78% 13 AM Lukanyo RSA 50% 11 IOANE Rieko NZL 60% 14 JORDAN Will NZL 93% 15 BARRET Jordan NZL 67% coach GALTHJIE Fabien FRA 33% MIDDLETON Simon ENGW 33% -
Number of representatives by Country by Year (and total)
. 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2021 Total NZL 10 11 5 14 6 10 10 10 9 0 10 11 4 110 RSA 2 1 5 1 5 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 5 22 AUS 1 1 1 2 0 1 4 1 1 0 3 0 2 17 ARG 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 3 1 0 8 FRA 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 6 IRE 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 7 ENG 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4 ITA 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 WAL 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 5 -
Great work! A worthy 15, apart from Ntmack. It is quite obvious the ferners only watched the end of year tour, as he played pretty average throughout the year, when he played (he missed a bit) and often not at 10!
I think, like Gobby Itoje, Samisoni got in on the highlights reel too, I voted for him cos he was a joy to watch!
I quick glance though shows McCaw as the name appearing over the year the most, I think
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@machpants said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
Great work! A worthy 15, apart from Ntmack. It is quite obvious the ferners only watched the end of year tour, as he played pretty average throughout the year, when he played (he missed a bit) and often not at 10!
I think, like Gobby Itoje, Samisoni got in on the highlights reel too, I voted for him cos he was a joy to watch!
I quick glance though shows McCaw as the name appearing over the year the most, I think
I've got a list of that in my spreadsheet but have not updated yet. It's a dumb spreadsheet so have to do that manually as am not clever enough to do a database.
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@booboo said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:
(1) with the possible exception of 2019 when Kirwan ran the competition, and unfortunately I don’t have access to those results … and those years when I messed up the running (2017) or didn’t run it (2018, 2020) or didn’t keep a record (2014) …
2019 results are here
1 J Moody (NZ)
2 S Horie (Japan)
3 K Sinckler (England)
4 E Etzebeth (SA)
5 AW Jones (Wales)
6 P du Toit (SA)
7 S Underhill (England)
8 D Vermeulen (SA)
9 F de Klerk (SA)
10 H Pollard (SA)
11 S Radradra (Fiji)
12 D de Allende (SA)
13 ALB (NZ)
14 C Kolbe (SA)
15 B Barrett (NZ)
