Music - Top 10's!
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
I'll also stick my head above the parapet and say Ringo was a bloody great drummer and hugely underrated...
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@nevorian Genesis and The Police weren’t really contemporaries. And as good a guitarist as Andy Summers is - and he is very good indeed for my money - Hackett’s solo towards the end of Firth of Fifth is a thing of beauty.
Apart from the lyrics, Firth of Fifth is an astonishing piece of music. Daryl Steurmer does a pretty good rendition too.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
"Great lead guitarists get amused by people and critics saying they are the best player around. They all know Alan Holdsworth is" 😎
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
"Great lead guitarists get amused by people and critics saying they are the best player around. They all know Alan Holdsworth is" 😎
Doens’t count. He plays Jazz.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
"Great lead guitarists get amused by people and critics saying they are the best player around. They all know Alan Holdsworth is" 😎
Doens’t count. He plays Jazz.
Could probably play anything to perfection. Even a Shane Warne spell.
I've heard Billy TK is mentioned in guitarist circles as an underrated player as well.
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
"Great lead guitarists get amused by people and critics saying they are the best player around. They all know Alan Holdsworth is" 😎
Doens’t count. He plays Jazz.
Could probably play anything to perfection. Even a Shane Warne spell.
I've heard Billy TK is mentioned in guitarist circles as an underrated player as well.
Shame his boy is such a dropkick
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
Ginger Baker, John Bonham, Ian Paice and Bill Ward were/are as well.
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
He played for the song like Charlie Watts and Ringo did. They were all key players in great bands - music first, ego second.
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
He played for the song like Charlie Watts and Ringo did. They were all key players in great bands - music first, ego second.
… which nobody could say about Ginger Baker with a straight face.
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
He played for the song like Charlie Watts and Ringo did. They were all key players in great bands - music first, ego second.
… which nobody could say about Ginger Baker with a straight face.
The longer the drum solo, the bigger the ego.
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
He played for the song like Charlie Watts and Ringo did. They were all key players in great bands - music first, ego second.
… which nobody could say about Ginger Baker with a straight face.
The longer the drum solo, the bigger the ego.
I think Drum solos are the ultimate wank unless they’re pretty brief. I’m far more into cool fills and creative rhythms.
The live version of Moby Dick is just horrific. Sorry Bonham, and you know I love your group…..but I’m right.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
I think Drum solos are the ultimate wank unless they’re pretty brief. I’m far more into cool fills and creative rhythms.
Never sat down in front of a drum kit in my life, but have taken an interest in drumming techniques etc and have learned that what sounds really simple, but perfect for the song and the rest of the band, can actually be complex & extraordinarily difficult to play.
Big difference between drummers who are master technicians and drummers who are musicians.. Steve Gadd, of course, is both.
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
I think Drum solos are the ultimate wank unless they’re pretty brief. I’m far more into cool fills and creative rhythms.
Never sat down in front of a drum kit in my life, but have taken an interest in drumming techniques etc and have learned that what sounds really simple, but perfect for the song and the rest of the band, can actually be complex & extraordinarily difficult to play.
Big difference between drummers who are master technicians and drummers who are musicians.. Steve Gadd, of course, is both.
By far the biggest thing with drumming is feel. Plenty of techy drummers out there judging by youtube but you can do all the shit you want without feel and you will sound programmed.
A drummer that works with their bassist instead of alongside them is the other big attribute. Obviously one of the resons Moon was so good is that he worked with the Ox and the combo of the two together.Rick Beato does a good clip where he analyses a song deemed to have a great rhythm but to his ear it was mechanical. He lines up the track alongside a similar beat played by a good drummer and concludes that the first one has been auto-corrected as it is almost perfect while the 'real' one has slight variations all over with gives it much better feel. It is the second drummer that sounds so much better and surprisingly sounds more on beat.
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@crucial said in Music - Top 10's!:
He lines up the track alongside a similar beat played by a good drummer and concludes that the first one has been auto-corrected as it is almost perfect while the 'real' one has slight variations all over with gives it much better feel. It is the second drummer that sounds so much better and surprisingly sounds more on beat.
It's also about giving the song space and a strong rhythm. That isn't as easy as it sounds. Ringo's playing on Something is really slow & sparse at the start as it reflects the lyrics and mood. Then he whacks it up staccato-like during the bridge and then slows down again during the guitar solo with fills which almost reflect the previous lyrics. Apparently there are 4-5 changes to time signatures in the song and it's way more complex than it sounds but the rhythm is always rock-solid throughout the song.
It wouldn't be technically difficult to play for someone like Peart or Steve Gadd - but his composition is unique and absolutely perfect for the song. I guess that can only come from playing in a real live band.
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Overthinking it
Massively
Exhibit A
Does it get you going?
If yes, job done
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@mikethesnow i don't the song as it's saying unavailable but i applaud the sentiment
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@mariner4life said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mikethesnow i don't the song as it's saying unavailable but i applaud the sentiment
Spencer Davis Group - Keep on Running
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