Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So Tai Tokerau Border control is an official thing now?
I expect these are some of those saying KIwis overseas have had long enough to get home, shut the borders to protect the people who have only had a year to get vaccinated...
I had a patient who spent the last month at the beach in the far north. Said no one up there was vaccinated. Well after all this time that is on them
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@canefan was talking to a cop recently and he said majority hated doing the border stuff, static borders and then working with the 'Tai Tokerau Border Control' he said the elders/leaders were constantly trying to tell the Cops what they should be doing...
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Hi all,
I know some of you may be hesitant about being vaccinated, or perhaps even just getting the booster. I want you to know, as an influential Ferner of many years standing, that I had my booster shot this morning. If it was possible on here, I'd update my handle to include three syringe emojis to indicate my triple vaccination status.
If you have any questions about vaccination that Siouxsie Wiles is refusing to answer because you're not woke enough, please send me a PM and I'll switch from my international terrorism and vulcanology notes to my epidemiology text book to give you some incredibly helpful advice.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Overseas NZers by %/per capita is basically only matched by Ireland who didn't really bother with MIQ, and Irish citizens also had the whole EU and UK to return to if necessary. Going by UN data, we have about as many overseas citizens as Japan but 4% of their population, and more overseas citizens than Australia with 20% of their population. For the other countries you list, on a per capita basis, we have far more NZers overseas than they do as well.
Some of it is also that because there is such a high percentage of us overseas, the percentage of people in NZ looking to travel to friends and family overseas is higher than most other countries (e.g. weddings, funerals, ill relatives and the like, rather than holidays for the sake of holidays), so that pressure is there as well. The Aussie bubble was an excellent opportunity to return home for those who wanted to (that's the biggest population of overseas NZers), but that obviously doesn't mean it was practical timing, and NZers going to Australia also meant there are now more of us stuck over there wanting to return to NZ than there normally would be.
Yep and couple that with a bit of good ole Kiwi "she"ll be right", bureaucratic incompetence and we have what we have.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So Tai Tokerau Border control is an official thing now?
I expect these are some of those saying KIwis overseas have had long enough to get home, shut the borders to protect the people who have only had a year to get vaccinated...
The border should be to stop the unvaccinated coming south.
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Everybody who is scared of covid has now been vaccinated. Time to move on.
There is no need for a vaccinated person to fear an unvaccinated person.
It's this illogical fallacy where the whole issue falls over.Damage and death from a scarcity of hospital care is not the doing of the unvaxxed but solely due to government policies. True for all countries worldwide.
Lockdown decisions were SOLELY due to modelling information. If you don't agree or trust the modellers and their models then you, by definition, can't agree with lockdowns ( if you apply logic).
If lockdowns work, then Sweden, Texas, Florida and Africa would have experienced hundreds and thousands of covid deaths each. Sweden being a perfect comparison. No masks, no lockdowns in 2020 MUST have resulted in 100 fold increases in deaths compared to lockdown countries. It didn't, ( not even close in magnitude) therefore the hypothesis that lockdowns will save tens or hundreds of thousands is false. No need to look any further, they're using hypotheticals as proof.
Covid and vaccine compliance looks exactly the same as religious fervour. "Saving people from themselves"
My original thread topic that this thing is as dodgy as all hell will act as a time capsule. It stunk from the origin and has been rotting ever since.
You have all been fooled by a small collection of people now swimming in the greatest concentration of money, wealth and power that human civilisation has ever seen. WEF is a good starting point.
17 years of "absolute crap from stuff" threads and now all of a sudden their word is gospel.
The anger you're feeling reading this is testimony to the great covid swindle we've just lived through.
You know it's not right. Deep down you know, but comfort lies in conformity. They "couldn't be that dishonest".
Truth don't live on TV screens or in cabinet meetings - only manipulation.
You threaten a person's job, it's amazing what they'll do.
No need to reply, I won't see it.
I truly wish you all well in your lives but my heart goes out to Snowy.
So long, and thanks for all the fish. I'll miss the memesπ
Ps. If I'm wrong, absolutely no harm has been done by this post. So why you feeling aggrieved or offended? Why has your heart rate just jumped?π
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
There is no need for a vaccinated person to fear an unvaccinated person.
I dont fear unvaccinated people, the guy that sits next to me at work is unvaccinated, I do not fear him, in fact, I prefer when he is at work as opposed to working from home.
I think you have maybe missed the point of @mikedogz post...Tai Tokerau Border Control fear covid, full stop, and want to protect thier higher than average unvaccinated rate in the North (many of whom, I expect give zero fucks) so if they want to stop vaccinated/unvaccinated travelling north to protect these people, why not stop these same people they are apparently aiming to protect from heading south?
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@siam originally lockdowns were to flatten the curve, they weren't expected to eliminate Covid-19 or even lead to fewer cases, just control how many cases and hospitalisations we had at the same time. It just happened to eliminate Covid-19 in NZ, and the moat and quarantine did the rest to keep it out.
Even then, the government had no long term plans of permanent elimination - the reconnecting plan was released last August and provided high level milestones to open back up. Lockdowns, border restrictions and other things like masks and number restrictions are about managing case numbers and hospitalisations, not eliminating it now.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
There is no need for a vaccinated person to fear an unvaccinated person.
I dont fear unvaccinated people, the guy that sits next to me at work is unvaccinated, I do not fear him, in fact, I prefer when he is at work as opposed to working from home.
I think you have maybe missed the point of @mikedogz post...Tai Tokerau Border Control fear covid, full stop, and want to protect thier higher than average unvaccinated rate in the North (many of whom, I expect give zero fucks) so if they want to stop vaccinated/unvaccinated travelling north to protect these people, why not stop these same people they are apparently aiming to protect from heading south?
It wasn't a serious post, half a joking post, seemed to have got some reaction I hadn't expected. They are trying to protect people who won't protect themselves.
I hoping that we can get back to some normality sometime this year. I read that Denmark has started to that after trying and failing to do so earlier.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Ps. If I'm wrong, absolutely no harm has been done by this post. So why you feeling aggrieved or offended? Why has your heart rate just jumped?π
Does anyone on here truly feel aggrieved or offended. You must have a heightened sense of importance when you post??
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Ps. If I'm wrong, absolutely no harm has been done by this post. So why you feeling aggrieved or offended? Why has your heart rate just jumped?π
Does anyone on here truly feel aggrieved or offended. You must have a heightened sense of importance when you post??
I thought it was the wink emoji that always made everything alright.....