GOAT
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@catogrande said in GOAT:
If we're talking about achievements across a variety of sport, the CB Fry must get a mention. International cricketer, 94 first class centuries including 6 on the trot, world long jump record holder, England international footballer, FA Cup finalist, a handy first class rugby player (Blackheath). More importantly he was asked to become King of Albani but turned it down.
And Denis Compton. That era seemed to have a number of people like that - Martin Donnelly as well who played Test rugby for England (who were poaching even then.....
)In the modern era, Jeff Wilson and Andy Ripley spring to mind.
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See @MN5 has mentioned cricket GOATs Bradman and Tendulkar, but being @MN5 seems to have overstepped the mark, managed to miss the point and get deleted...
... but when you're considering GOATs you've got to consider these two.
Cricket is a fucking HUUUGE sport in terms of support because India...
Bradman first obviously. Tendulkar some way behind.
Bradman obviously not our lifetime, but Tendulkar worth consideration.
Not quite sure what I did but you’ve pretty much made whatever point I was going to make…..I’m not entirely sure Tendulkar was the absolute best of his generation though let alone ever. 200 tests is a wonderful effort though.
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@mikethesnow said in GOAT:
Ali
Transcended his sport
Plus fought EVERYONE, didn’t duck a single top fighter of his era, not perfect though, he still lost to Norton and Frazier relatively early in his career ( but then Foreman destroyed both of them who Ali beat )
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My top ten would be (in no particular order)
Slater
Jordan
Nicklaus
O'Sullivan
Bradman
Brady
Hamish Bond (Massive Bias there)
Gretsky
Lance Armstrong
(Space for one other as I ponder it)Bolt?
Bearing in mind that this is a personal list and totally subjective, I struggle with Runners and Swimmers as I was thinking Phelps too.
Yet Bolt is still the fastest man
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My top ten would be (in no particular order)
Slater
Jordan
Nicklaus
O'Sullivan
Bradman
Brady
Hamish Bond (Massive Bias there)
Gretsky
Lance Armstrong
(Space for one other as I ponder it)Carl Lewis? 9 Gold medals in the Olympics inc. the same individual event at 4 consecutive Games.
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@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
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@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
I don't believe the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) were particularly harsh in those days regarding positive drug tests.
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@kiwimurph said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
I don't believe the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) were particularly harsh in those days regarding positive drug tests.
According to Wikipedia the tests were checked by the IAAF and found to be OK. But fascinating that what would be a positive test in '88 would be a negative test now. Read here
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@mariner4life said in GOAT:
The GOAT Mt Rushmore of my lifetime is Slater, Jordan, Tiger Woods and Brady.
Slater winning Pipe at basically 50 is fucking ridiculous. Surfing is more a young man's game than nearly anything. And Pipe is the most famous comp in the sport. To win Pipe at his age is hard to comprehend.
Brady stuck up competition leading numbers at 44. Slater won Pipe at 50. The fuck am i doing with my life?
Very US centric of you.
My main sports are included except for two
Rugby. No clear cut GOAT in my time
Cricket. In my lifetime a few to choose from, no one clear.
and then the other big one is Football. Pele and Maradona before my time. No clear cut GOAT in the modern game.
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Lance Armstrong is a brave and interesting selection.
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I've written mine out a few times, and it's just far far too US heavy for my liking. I barely watch US sport these days, so it's rather odd.
Anyway my list is those who either played at the very top for so long, or those at their peak who were/are simply so far ahead of the opposition, it's not funny. I have nobody in my list who I've not seen play so the likes of Bradman, Ali etc aren't in it, even though I know they belong.
Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Serena Williams, Conor McGregor, Michael Phelps, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lance Armstrong (I know, I know ...), Michael Johnson, Usain Bol
And I'm stuck on my 10th. I'm not sure racing drivers are athletes or not, but the records of Hamilton, Schumacher, Loeb, Rossi all stick out as GOAT's. On more NZ centric sports Richie is a nomination, but he was much more a team player / captain than one who truly shone that far above as an athlete. Considered Warne / Muralitharn as well but I'm just not convinced they should be in there. Phil Taylor belongs in many a list yes, but not of athletes ....
Gonna have to keep thinking.
