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@taniwharugby said in Rankings:
@mariner4life said in Rankings:
Are we expecting big things this year? Huge holes in pack. Question marks in the backs. New coaches (ish). Hardly the foundations of greatness
I expect big things every year (both for ABs and Northland...)
I think that of the ABs, not always of the Magpies e.g. throughout the reign of Philpott.
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@mariner4life said in Rankings:
@Machpants said in Rankings:
No my point is if we don't beat the Boks this year, and they have a fuck ton more players in Europe that won't be picked (not just BBBR) but were allowed for the RWC, then we aren't as good!
Yep. We are the chasers now, we have to earn it back. Can’t rely on keeping the spot after a loss because we have a buffer
Are we expecting big things this year? Huge holes in pack. Question marks in the backs. New coaches (ish). Hardly the foundations of greatness
Yep, but a clean slate and who knows what Super throws up.
Luke Jacobsen looks a talent. Some of the tighties can stand up - Pat T, Ofa, with Codie, Joe Moody, Sam W (back I beleive)?
Throw in a loose forward trio of Savea, Cane, Jacobsen (with others coming thruogh - Dalton, Hoskins), and then a decent backline with a fit DMac and we're all good.
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France overtake All Blacks on World Rugby rankings following Six Nations triumph
France have leapfrogged the All Blacks into second place on the World Rugby rankings following their Six Nations Grand Slam success.
- South Africa (N/C) – 90.61
- France (+1) – 88.88
- New Zealand (-1) – 88.75
- Ireland (N/C) – 88.22
- England (N/C) – 84.50
- Australia (N/C) – 83.92
- Scotland (N/C) – 81.80
- Argentina (+1) – 80.58
- Wales (-1) – 79.28
- Japan (N/C) – 78.26
- Fiji (N/C) – 76.62
- Georgia (+1) – 73.78
- Samoa (-1) – 73.59
- Italy (N/C) – 72.33
- Spain (N/C) – 68.26
- Tonga (N/C) – 67.72
- Romania (+1) – 66.95
- USA (-1) – 66.54
- Uruguay (N/C) – 66.40
- Portugal (N/C) – 65.72
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So what would it take for Ireland to pass NZ in July?
I assume two test wins would do it? Would one win be enough given the games are played in NZ?
It looks ... complex. But 2 wins definitely, I suspect, and 1 probably (assuming tight wins)
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So what would it take for Ireland to pass NZ in July?
I assume two test wins would do it? Would one win be enough given the games are played in NZ?
It looks ... complex. But 2 wins definitely, I suspect, and 1 probably (assuming tight wins)
It seems that a lot depends on the order of wins.
If close wins go NZ/IRE/NZ then NZ remains just above in 3rd
If the order is IRE/NZ/NZ then NZ jumps up to second with IRE 4th
NZ/NZ/IRE would see IRE jump up to 3rd and we drop
Any two win combo to IRE jumps them upand the margins are so tight that we could win 2/1 but if the loss is large IRE would leapfrog us
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@majorrage said in Rankings:
If only Hansen had won the 2019 RWC. Then you could lose all these tests and still retain your no.1 ranking.
I do agree with that though. Like heavyweight boxing, you've pretty much so go to knock out the champ to claim the crown.
Didn't Aust do that twice, NZ once and England once?
The problem is awarding double points at the RWC. If you win the tournament your rankings will improve without having to inflate the rankings points awarded.
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@majorrage said in Rankings:
If only Hansen had won the 2019 RWC. Then you could lose all these tests and still retain your no.1 ranking.
I do agree with that though. Like heavyweight boxing, you've pretty much so go to knock out the champ to claim the crown.
Didn't Aust do that twice, NZ once and England once?
The problem is awarding double points at the RWC. If you win the tournament your rankings will improve without having to inflate the rankings points awarded.
Yep, but who did enough to really overtake them? We still lost to them once as well as Ireland & France, Australia lost to us 3 times as well as most of the NH & dunno if you saw Englands 6N results ....
Certainly an argument for France to be number 1 & Ireland number 2, but neither of them beat South Africa. Who also beat the Lions.
No problems with SA still being number 1 given the above.
@bovidae yeah didn't Wales somehow get ranked #1 at one point during a RWC?
Yeah, so about as far away as possible from the previous WC and hence less hangover points.
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@majorrage said in Rankings:
Certainly an argument for France to be number 1 & Ireland number 2, but neither of them beat South Africa.
I think you could argue France should be the no.1 and not many would disagree with that.
Looking at the historical rankings, Ireland entered the 2019 RWC as the no.1 ranked team. NZ was 2nd and SA was 4th. SA's points went from 87.35 to 94.20 when they won the tournament. That has now decreased to 90.61 while France is on 88.88, which would put them ahead of SA without the double points but SA still ahead of NZ.
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@majorrage said in Rankings:
Certainly an argument for France to be number 1 & Ireland number 2, but neither of them beat South Africa.
I think you could argue France should be the no.1 and not many would disagree with that.
Looking at the historical rankings, Ireland entered the 2019 RWC as the no.1 ranked team. NZ was 2nd and SA was 4th. SA's points went from 87.35 to 94.20 when they won the tournament. That has now decreased to 90.61 while France is on 88.88, which would put them ahead of SA without the double points but SA still ahead of NZ.
I don't disagree. I think France are the best time in the world right now. In theory that should make them the number one ranked side, right?
Which is my argument above. I think they need to knock out the champ.
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The only reason RWC gets double is so they don't have a winner not ranked 1. World Rugby can't handle complexity. Which is stupid really, being cup winner does not mean you're the best, consistent team in the world, which the ranking is much better at showing. I'd like to see some nerd redo the rankings taking the RWC extra points out. It would be much more accurate I reckon
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Ireland v Australia:
I think the Wallabies will pull it off. They're due to click long enough to hold out for a win.
I hope they can. While a win would only move them up the rankings one or two places (depending on the Scotland v Arg result), it would knock Ireland off the top and below us. A NZ win beforehand would make the gap between us and France (1 and 2) very small.
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@Crucial said in Ireland v Australia:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Ireland v Australia:
I think the Wallabies will pull it off. They're due to click long enough to hold out for a win.
I hope they can. While a win would only move them up the rankings one or two places (depending on the Scotland v Arg result), it would knock Ireland off the top and below us. A NZ win beforehand would make the gap between us and France (1 and 2) very small.
Won't that make a mockery of the whole ranking system? I mean, we've lost to Ireland, SA, France, Argentina and almost Australia...
