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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
I don't see how that analogy works. Women can advocate for themselves.
And the unborn can't. Which kinda answer Barnhart's question as to why people give them more focus, does it not?
It does, but it doesn't address the other component of his argument in that their concern doesn't extend to actually improving anything once they're born. You don't have to actually do anything that might be mistaken for a Christian act.
Which kinda goes back to my original point about the selective morality which Barnhart criticises, which is it is equally evident on both sides of the argument.
Nothing wrong with pointing out Democrat hypocrisy, but it's no mitigation for Republic hypocrisy
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@Victor-Meldrew I believe Switzerland allows heroin addicts to get medical grade heroin at clinics and they inject it on site. If the US had a similar program their deaths would be far lower.
My personal opinion is certain drugs like cannabis should be legal and taxed just like alcohol. Other drugs should be decriminalised as the current model is just stupid and penalises those in need of help. It also fuels gang warfare and an entire illegal distribution network.
There should also of course be a well-funded treatment program. This program could easily be paid for with the tax from cannabis and the reduction of people in the criminal justice system.
No amount of Police enforcement will ever make any difference to the supply and use of illegal drugs. It should be treated as a medical problem, not a criminal one.
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@chimoaus said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew I believe Switzerland allows heroin addicts to get medical grade heroin at clinics and they inject it on site. If the US had a similar program their deaths would be far lower.
That's been pretty much the model in most of Europe since the '80's - though oral methadone is given out in many places along with needle exchange. The Swiss were behind the rest of Europe on this.
No amount of Police enforcement will ever make any difference to the supply and use of illegal drugs.
Evidence seems to be you need both enforcement and drug programs. Oregon scrapped enforcement of small amounts of drugs and saw addition soar as they didn't expect the number of addicts to increase and didn't have the programmes in place.
It should be treated as a medical problem, not a criminal one.
From an user's perspective, absolutely.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@chimoaus said in US Politics:
No amount of Police enforcement will ever make any difference to the supply and use of illegal drugs.
Evidence seems to be you need both enforcement and drug programs. Oregon scrapped enforcement of small amounts of drugs and saw addition soar as they didn't expect the number of addicts to increase and didn't have the programmes in place.
Why would the number of addicts increase?
Sounds like an argument for more / better health care, not more law enforcement
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@gibbon-rib said in US Politics:
Why would the number of addicts increase?
Probably for the same reason shoplifting exploded in California and businesses closed when stealing less than £1,000 of goods was made a misdemeanour rather than a felony - the police don't investigate.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in US Politics:
Why would the number of addicts increase?
Probably for the same reason shoplifting exploded in California and businesses closed when stealing less than £1,000 of goods was made a misdemeanour rather than a felony - the police don't investigate.
Shoplifting I understand, that seems a very predictable result. But becoming addicted to drugs is a very different kind of crime. Would be surprising if addiction went up after decriminalisation, normally goes the other way
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There's a difference between de-criminalising possession (sensible and shown to work as part of an anti-drugs policy) and making possession of drugs legal. If a substance is addictive and it becomes de facto legal, addiction will go up as usage increases.
Similar thing happened with Prohibition. Even though alcohol consumption only fell by 30%, there was a big drop in alcohol cirrhosis rates. That was reversed when prohibition ended.
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Registered.
“[N]owhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back. Over the last year, far more people are switching to the GOP across suburban counties from Denver to Atlanta and Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Republicans also gained ground in counties around medium-size cities such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Raleigh, North Carolina; Augusta, Georgia; and Des Moines, Iowa.”
Last month:
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Honeymoon is over?
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The Savior.
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Hilary Clinton v Trump in 2024? FFS.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Hilary Clinton v Trump in 2024? FFS.
If that’s the case they should replace the ballot with ducking stools. Televised live.
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@JC said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Hilary Clinton v Trump in 2024? FFS.
If that’s the case they should replace the ballot with ducking stools. Televised live.
Metamucil can sponsor (I don't think they drink Horlicks in the US)
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@Kid-Chocolate said in US Politics:
Honeymoon is over?
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Just incredible. You're in a two-party state where the other mob tried to commit a coup less than 18 months ago, how crap have you got to be to get ratings like that? The Dems are an absolute shambles.
The Savior.
But they could get worse.
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@Kid-Chocolate said in US Politics:
The Savior.
How airbrushed is that photo? Pretending she’s not a doddery old coot too.
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@gibbon-rib said in US Politics:
mob tried to commit a coup less than 18 months ago, how crap have you got to be to get ratings like that?
Committing a coup 🤣 armed to the teeth with plastic water bottles. Ratings, indeed.
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Juan Williams would be the diversity hire by Fox News to add comedy and colour, and to dumb it down for their compulsory viewer component of intellectual donkeys.
"restore wymminses rights"? Eh? More and more the Disintegrating States of America are making stuff up on the run.
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@Kid-Chocolate said in US Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in US Politics:
mob tried to commit a coup less than 18 months ago, how crap have you got to be to get ratings like that?
Committing a coup 🤣 armed to the teeth with plastic water bottles. Ratings, indeed.
I'm sure you folks did this one to death last year, so no need to revisit it unless anyone really feels the urge. If you don't like the c word we can just say "attempted to overturn the election result" instead. The point still stands, Biden is a dismal failure and the Dems are shapeless
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@gibbon-rib said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@chimoaus said in US Politics:
Again, not a popular idea but making all drugs legal and available to addicts means the quality is guaranteed and if they have safe places to use, they are far less likely to die. They are also far less likely to commit property crime to support the habit if the drug is supplied.
The "war on drugs" is/was daft, but are you talking about making all drugs legal or only legal for addicts?
Decriminalised, rather than legalised. So they're still restricted / prohibited, you just don't end up with a criminal record for them.
A couple of decades ago I argued on 60mins for decriminalisation to remove the market incentive to produce and associated crime to procure. Frustrating to see it's still treated overwhelmingly as a criminal matter than a health one after all this time.
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All that Dems and news media wants to talk about is the single issue that American voters care about the least. CBS poll yesterday:
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