Foster, Robertson etc

gt12

Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

I’m not amenable to it but I think it will be the result.

Can they attract a world class defense and attack coach though? Schmidt can likely do one of those roles. Plus?

Crucial

Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

mariner4life

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

had the same thought this morning

any change has to be now, or we wait until October.

If they decide to wait until October i can see him staying the other 12 months unless we lose absolutely everything.

Tim

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James McOnie on what's going wrong with the All Blacks

James McOnie joins us to help us work out where it's all going wrong for the team. LISTEN ABOVE

Machpants

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

Normally those things are announced at the morning press conference on the day following the test, you know the one foster wimped out of

Old Samurai Jack

@Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

Tim

@Old-Samurai-Jack There's also whispers that Plumtree is not rated by the players.

taniwharugby

@mariner4life yeah I mentioned that in one of my hundred posts yesterday...if they move, it needs to be now to give the new coach a chance to select thier TRC squad.

Post TRC will just damage things further.

gt12

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

@Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

Quick summary? I can’t usually handle that guy’s voice.

I assume unhappy players?

Old Samurai Jack

@gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

Tim

@gt12 Players getting work-ons that they succeed in developing, but those are then discarded when they return to camp - no clear plan/direction.

Also a good point that the coaches, who condescend to media with the "you don't know what we know" line, may be the ones who don't know what they're talking about - Aki and Lowe as cases in point.

My comment: Lowe being publicly described as lacking the skills for international rugby, while Bridge was viewed as a key player, shows how inept they were. Post-2015 Hansen really was an arrogant buffoon.

antipodean

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

I can't see NZR making a change before SA, which by extension may mean the TRC. Foster's career may hinge on those results.

gt12

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

@gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

If that is true, and it does appear to match with the lost play of the team, its time for them all to go.

Crucial

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

@gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

That was the biggest take out from his comments. Say what you like about his style but McOnie does make friends among the players so gets some insights that we aren't party to.
Maybe it's time for Cane to show some real captaincy of the ABs (as opposed to the team) and have a quiet chat with NZR. If what McOnie says is true then the clear message is that Foster and his assistants have lost the changing room and although no one likes a dobber, it is time that the big bosses knew that.

gt12

@Tim said in Foster must go:

@gt12 Players getting work-ons that they succeed in developing, but those are then discarded when they return to camp - no clear plan/direction.

Also a good point that the coaches, who condescend to media with the "you don't know what we know" line, may be the ones who don't know what they're talking about - Aki and Lowe as cases in point.

My comment: Lowe being publicly described as lacking the skills for international rugby, while Bridge was viewed as a key player, shows how inept they were. Post-2015 Hansen really was an arrogant buffoon.

NZRU really did drink their own cool aid.

mariner4life

@antipodean said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

I can't see NZR making a change before SA, which by extension may mean the TRC. Foster's career may hinge on those results.

well, last year we hammered the Pumas, pretty much hammered the Aussies, split the games with SA then got curb-stomped in the two meaningful games up North.

So my point is. Even if we ride blissfully through the RC, in my eyes nothing has changed at all. It just means we are happy competing with teams below the best
(for what it is worth we will lose at least 1 in SA, and barring a freak game, or a big SA drop off, we'll probably lose both)

mariner4life

@Tim said in Foster must go:

Also a good point that the coaches, who condescend to media with the "you don't know what we know" line, may be the ones who don't know what they're talking about - Aki and Lowe as cases in point

the communications from teh ABs have been shit for years, it was jut hidden because we won heaps and heaps and heaps.

We, the public, who they supposedly represent (though with the ABs now no longer really a rep team, maybe they don't see it that way) getting given absolutely fucking nothing. And this is helped by a compliant media who broadcast nothing but propaganda (or editorial hit pieces).

antipodean

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

@gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

That was the biggest take out from his comments. Say what you like about his style but McOnie does make friends among the players so gets some insights that we aren't party to.
Maybe it's time for Cane to show some real captaincy of the ABs (as opposed to the team) and have a quiet chat with NZR. If what McOnie says is true then the clear message is that Foster and his assistants have lost the changing room and although no one likes a dobber, it is time that the big bosses knew that.

With clown Robinson in charge, that would be a death knell to his career in New Zealand.