The Worst All Blacks results ...
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@stodders It is a bad opinion. Confrontational lock who never took a step back.
In fairness, I didn't say it was a good one
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
I don’t think this era can be topped.
Oh yes it can....
1970-71 - Three Test losses on the trot
1971 - First series loss to the Lions
1972 - First loss to an England club side (twice)
1972 - First draw with an Irish club side
1973 - First time we didn't win against Ireland (10-10 draw)
1973 - Lost to France for the first time in 20 years
1973 - Lost to the NZ Juniors
1973 - Lost to a NZ Invitation Side
1973 - First loss to England at home (Eden Park)Still, on the bright side, things did pick up after about 5 years and 3-4 new coaches
Hmmmmm I’m not convinced.
I think the consecutive Irish losses seals the deal for me personally.
Them winning ONE test in NZ is a hell of an effort when you consider their overall history. To do manage two is pretty damning.
The EOYT has disaster written all over it too.
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@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Nepia said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Nepia said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Nepia said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@mikedogz said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
Laurie Mains era except for World Cup. 1998, Early 2000's.
I don't think the Mains era was that bad, but it was all over the show. Series win over a strong Lions team, series win over a strong-ish Boks team, a very close series loss to an awesome Oz team, a series loss to the try from the end of the world. In most of those matched good rugby was played by both sides.
@MajorRage said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
Worst one-off is quarter final RWC 2007. Easily. That was a killer.
03 semi is worst for me.
@booboo said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
Was it 1973 when we lost to ourselves, NZ Universities and England ... ?
Yeah I think so, thank god I wasn't around for the early 70s.
Plus he gave debuts to Jonah, Goldie, Osbourne, Merhts, Kronfeld and others I may have missed.
He also almost won the WC and the team was the most exciting one on display by far.
Off topic slightly but not sure I’d call the Lions team too strong, the midweek team were a bunch of disorganised pass heads apparently.
I thought their top team was decent but due to them being locked in the midweek team decided to go on holiday.
Bit of a mixture from memory. Hastings, Evans, Gibbs, Guscott, Underwood, Andrew etc were all greats but some of the Scottish tight forwards who somehow got test caps were very journeymanish
Damn, now I'm going to have to look it up - I thought it was mostly English forwards like Bayfield, Clarke, Leonard, Winterbottom and the young fulla Johnson etc.
Edit: Looks like the coach was drunk or there were injuries for the first test when the three Scots got a start. It was the Englishmen and Popplewell for the rest of the tests.
Yeah I couldn’t find it online at first but three Scots in the tight five was beyond ridiculous. Plodders the lot of them.
By international standards or those exemplary Scottish standards?
All of the above
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@stodders said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
Gibbes/Holah/Rush - Holah was ace, but the other two were mere placeholders
agree on Holah, but by fuck i will not sit by while you besmirch a Chiefs spiritual leader like that.
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i was fucking angry as the 2003 semi unfolded and we just couldn't get in the game after the intercept (great bit of coaching again by Eddie)
But that 2007 quarter is the only time i have felt numb. I thought that squad would piss in what was a very poor world cup. And the way we were playing it was inevitable we would win. And then the whistle went, and we hadn't. WTF?
Yes it was the making of that core group of players. But by fuck it suuuucked at the time.
Even when we used to lose, while gutting, we were never out of the game. All those gut-wrenching Bledisloe losses in teh last minute etc. Sunday was bad because were were dominated, and never at any stage did it look like we might win.
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@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@stodders said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
Gibbes/Holah/Rush - Holah was ace, but the other two were mere placeholders
agree on Holah, but by fuck i will not sit by while you besmirch a Chiefs spiritual leader like that.
He was great for the Chiefs. That I can't argue with
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2001 first Bledisloe in Dunedin comes to mind.
After an awful 2001 Super Rugby season where no NZ team made the semi finals the 2001 season was seen as a clean slate.
The ABs had an unbelievable record in Dunedin at the time.
Jonah scored early doors but apart from that the ABs got smoked (an awesome try by Matt Burke in there).
Taine Randell was playing 7 I think. Thankfully later in the year a Mr McCaw would be on the AB scene (much to the shock of Mr Kronfeld).
It was an absolute farce at the end with time up + the ABs down 8 points and captain Anton Oliver refusing to take 3 points which would secure a losing bonus point but instead went to go for the try which inevitably failed.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus no way. 2007 was a thousand times worst than 03.
2007 still remains the biggest head scratcher of a match for me. After the result I didn’t want to get out of bed the whole day.
Beg to differ. I expected us to perform magnificently and then flop all through RWC. Australia had been gaining on us after the initial spectacular win all year and we didn't see it.
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@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
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@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
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@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
Records, smecords. Tell me, how predictable are the French in a RWC game against us? The next one could be predictable but not in a good way.
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@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
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@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
2007: against France in a RWC. That is all I need to write
a team we have a 7-2 record against in World Cups? You need to write a bit more.
We play France a lot in that tournament by the way.
Despite the vastly superior win record of New Zealand in this encounter, France has the greatest number of wins against the All Blacks of any Northern Hemisphere opponent to date. *France are sometimes called the "bogey" team of New Zealand, known for having inconsistent results in regular test matches, but have proven to be fierce opponents in the knockout stage of the Rugby World Cup.* All Black campaigns in The Rugby World Cup were halted by defeats to France in 1999 and 2007, and were nearly upset again in 2011 with a very narrow 8-7 victory in the final. -
@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@nostrildamus said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@MN5 said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
@Catogrande said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
S’funny. At the time I saw him as your pre-eminent lock. Athletic, good line out forward, ok in the maul and as a carrier. Maybe a bit of a ruck inspector. Not sure who you’d have had above him at the time?
Yeah Jack was good. Him and Williams did a great job although Whitelock and Retallick were a level above.
I don't know, they had some fine games together.
the quintessential NZ locking combination. Perfectly fine fit athletic footballers, both pretty good in the air.
Completely lacking in mongrel, edge, and power.
Williams had plenty of mongrel. Oh, you mean on the field? Carry on.
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i expect to beat France every time we play them. And in the professional era i have been right 24 times
and wrong only 5.
holy shit look at that wiki page. They beat us in the first test in 2009, and then not again until last year, while we racked up 14 in a row. Some of them absolute beltings.
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@mariner4life said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
i expect to beat France every time we play them. And in the professional era i have been right 24 times
and wrong only 5.
holy shit look at that wiki page. They beat us in the first test in 2009, and then not again until last year, while we racked up 14 in a row. Some of them absolute beltings.
When they do beat us it is often memorable. 1994, 1999, 2007, almost 2011....
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@canefan said in The Worst All Blacks results ...:
almost 2011
speaking of self harm, we are now talking legit wins as "almost losses"?
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for me, the 1st half of the 3rd Irish test this year was the worst I have ever seen the ABs play, it was just awful, even worse than the 2nd half of the 1999 semi v France.
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@Victor-Meldrew Damn you for reminding me - not that I don't think of it way too often. Add getting smashed by Oz at Eden Park, 4 tries to Cornelsen a #8 FFS and another to their blindside another record loss in the Bastille Day test against France. Plus having a pack that was so shite against the Lions that we were reduced to packing down three man scrums.
No wonder I was so traumatised I had to fuck off to Europe for the next 13 years
For me our worst RWC defeat was the 99 capitulation. All losses hurt and there are arguments that we didn't deserve to in 95 and 07 but 99 we were too nervous to front the frogs
History of rugby union matches between France and New Zealand - Wikipedia
