So what did we learn from Bled2?
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@Chris-B said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@No-Quarter said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
I don't agree. With Mo'unga, Jordie and Beauden we have ample play makers. What we need to compliment them is
Less critical fans?
Hey I've been very measured in my analysis of Mo'unga, there were a couple of errors he made I could have gone to town on him over
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@Chris-B I'm very sympathetic to your views on Jordie at the back, I was of the same view about moving him to 12, but I think he can be more influential there for the ABs where we can better utilise his strength with ball in hand and hard hitting defense. That said, if Beauden got injured that'd throw a big spanner in the works.
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I think they should use Jordie at 12 against the big physical teams and persist with Havili against weaker opponents, if only to have match fit cover if Jordie goes down injured or has a Barrett Brain fart and gets a red card. We need more than one 12 and at the moment, Havili is the best back-up. Never put all your money on one player.
For the same reason, they should give Reece some starts on the wing and slot Jordan in at fullback (maybe in the second half) in some games.
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@No-Quarter said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
That said, if Beauden got injured that'd throw a big spanner in the works.
The AB fullback role seems very similar to the Blues fullback role now. Perofeta would be a good fit for that pattern.
But we don't even know if he's capable of playing Test rugby yet
The AB's constantly being under pressure and having no 'easier' Tests has stalled any depth building
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@Stargazer said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
I think they should use Jordie at 12 against the big physical teams and persist with Havili against weaker opponents, if only to have match fit cover if Jordie goes down injured or has a Barrett Brain fart and gets a red card. We need more than one 12 and at the moment, Havili is the best back-up. Never put all your money on one player.
For the same reason, they should give Reece some starts on the wing and slot Jordan in at fullback (maybe in the second half) in some games.
Has Jordie ever gotten a red card at test level? Or even at super level? Or are you mixing him up with a hot headed Crusader?
I get what you're saying though, but if we're gonna have a chance at this RWC we need to build some very solid combinations so that when push comes to shove we can rely on those combinations to get us through. We don't have much time to do that now. Constantly chopping and changing is not a luxary we have anymore, we'll just put ourselves under pressure and it leads to disjointed performances.
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Jordie is and always has been a natural fit at 12. At 15 he is always going to be a little bit slow and lacks a bit of evasiveness to be a long term keeper. At some point he'll probably cop a card for leading with elbows and forearms hitting it up, but hey.
Rieko Ioane frequently does some pretty amazing stuff - particularly in defence - but blows about one try per game. And in close games we don't get a whole lot of opportunities to blow. Clarke has the same problem: can't find support, can't keep movements going. Of course he's a bit of a defensive liability at present too, so that's not great. Both those guys in one backline at the moment means you're going to leave points out there.
So if/when ALB comes back, then what? Is Rieko a better centre than him? -
@Duluth said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@No-Quarter said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
That said, if Beauden got injured that'd throw a big spanner in the works.
The AB fullback role seems very similar to the Blues fullback role now. Perofeta would be a good fit for that pattern.
But we don't even know if he's capable of playing Test rugby yet
The AB's constantly being under pressure and having no 'easier' Tests has stalled any depth building
Yeah, that's been a real problem this year. We've also not had any tests against tier 2 nations to give people time in the black jumper, going straight into tests against a settled Irish team was tough. Perofeta was outstanding in SR and hadn't been sighted since which is a problem.
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Thinking about cards for Jordie, did he get a red when he caught the ball with his knees up that time? That's all I can remember.
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@reprobate said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
So if/when ALB comes back, then what? Is Rieko a better centre than him?
Yes.
Long answer: yes - brings a point of difference. ALB was amazing, but needs to re-establish himself after hte injuries. He's the long term guy, it's becoming the Ardie at 7 argument again; whatever you think of him as an 8, that's his position, that's where he's playing. 7 cover at best.
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@No-Quarter said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
Thinking about cards for Jordie, did he get a red when he caught the ball with his knees up that time? That's all I can remember.
Yeah that sprung to mind too. Red or yellow I can't remember.
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@No-Quarter Not that I know off, but Jordie been close in at least one test (about half the world screamed he should have got a red instead of a yellow in one test), was it last year or the year before? I think it was "a raised leg in a challenge for the ball in the air" incident.
Changing Jordie and Havili between tests, depending on the opponent and game plan, is not constantly chopping an changing. The combinations with Havili have already been formed. Jordie already seemed to slot in perfectly. The back-up needs game time. This can be off the bench, too. I think that 23 jersey will fit Havili well.
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@No-Quarter A bit of devil's advocate, as well.
Right now, my maths says we don't win RWC2023 - we're a one-in-ten chance, so we may need to spin the bottle.
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@Stargazer said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@No-Quarter Not that I know off, but Jordie been close in at least one test (about half the world screamed he should have got a red instead of a yellow in one test), was it last year or the year before? I think it was "a raised leg in a challenge for the ball in the air" incident.
Changing Jordie and Havili between tests, depending on the opponent and game plan, is not constantly chopping an changing. The combinations with Havili have already been formed. Jordie already seemed to slot in perfectly. The back-up needs game time. This can be off the bench, too. I think that 23 jersey will fit Havili well.
you are shameless. but it's not easy when you see your favourite player run right past like that.
That bench spot is ALB's when he comes back.
Have to say though, i can't say i thought JB would slot in that well first time up. It may have even been his best test ever. Remarkable.
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@mariner4life said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@Stargazer said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@No-Quarter Not that I know off, but Jordie been close in at least one test (about half the world screamed he should have got a red instead of a yellow in one test), was it last year or the year before? I think it was "a raised leg in a challenge for the ball in the air" incident.
Changing Jordie and Havili between tests, depending on the opponent and game plan, is not constantly chopping an changing. The combinations with Havili have already been formed. Jordie already seemed to slot in perfectly. The back-up needs game time. This can be off the bench, too. I think that 23 jersey will fit Havili well.
you are shameless. but it's not easy when you see your favourite player run right past like that.
That bench spot is ALB's when he comes back.
Have to say though, i can't say i thought JB would slot in that well first time up. It may have even been his best test ever. Remarkable.
I agree, it's his best Test that I can remember. Certainly the best performance by a 12 in over three years.
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I also wonder if Dave Rennie and Wallabies took a big learning. I would think at some stage someone in ABs camp would of pointed to the Dave and the Wallabies camp we was robbed etc etc in the papers and prehaps wondered if they were going to try and prove it right. As a coach I would of made sure players were aware etc (have done similar stuff myself) , and why when I coached I would never hear an excuse for why we lost.
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@Stargazer said in So what did we learn from Bled2?:
@No-Quarter Not that I know off, but Jordie been close in at least one test (about half the world screamed he should have got a red instead of a yellow in one test), was it last year or the year before? I think it was "a raised leg in a challenge for the ball in the air" incident.
Changing Jordie and Havili between tests, depending on the opponent and game plan, is not constantly chopping an changing. The combinations with Havili have already been formed. Jordie already seemed to slot in perfectly. The back-up needs game time. This can be off the bench, too. I think that 23 jersey will fit Havili well.
Are you Havili's agent?
