Electric Vehicles
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
So, while the technology may become available I can't really see them taking off.
It needs to be in every car - simultaneously communicating with every other car - to eliminate the human error across the board.
Have you been following developments in that area Nick? There is a consortium of (I think 11) manufacturers who have developed standards for swapping packets of information about congestion etc using a virtual WLAN. It's been running for over 10 years and is now used pretty widely. The concept is you don't need huge data centres to process the information, the effort gets distributed between all the cars' simpler CPUs and the ones with dedicated SIMs upload the data.
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I fear the technology they have developed for automated cars is more likely to be used in the surveillance of drivers and the collection of evidence to enable enforcement action when the driver breaks a road rule. In other words we will be driving around in cars that are programmed to dob us in.
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@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
I’m not arguing your point about the importance of outside markets for Japanese manufacturers, I’m explaining that there are likely social infrastructure reasons for the reluctance of all of the Japanese manufacturers to fully commit to EV.
I get that (and a similar issue in Europe and Seoul and even parts of China) but
1 There are quite a few highly profitable markets and models from Toyota (and I think Honda?) that don't even exist in Japan
2 Japan has a pride issue in this space and a key person is hassling them over it and they do some crazy things (I mean, does a Japanese urban dweller need a rotary engine car?)
3 There is technology to recharge as you drive over it and battery swap markets in South Korea or networks people can join (for a fee of course)
(but S Korea has had this sort of thing since 2013!)
World’s first permanent vehicle-charging electric road to be built in Sweden | IceNews - Daily News
Sweden’s highway network is set to build the world’s first permanent electric road in the country by 2025, which will allow electric vehicles to charg...
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61310513EV industry advised to adopt battery swapping for better efficiency
The Korea International Trade Association suggested introducing battery swapping as a solution that could boost South Korea’s electric vehicle transit
Crazy, impractical? That might not stop the Japanese!
And of course they are interested in lighter, quicker to charge, longer-range solid state batteries
Japan's Nissan plans 'game changing' electric car batteries
Nissan is working with NASA on a new type of battery for electric vehicles that promises to charge quicker and be lighter yet safe, the Japanese automaker said Friday.
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@JC said in Electric Vehicles:
@nostrildamus ... and yet, they can't make a car that I'd actually want to drive. Sales in America are of course important for their profitability but the US has honestly given us very little in the way of decent cars. Sometimes iconic, sure, but not often objectively good.
Toyota you mean? Yep, not known for the driving experience.
There will never be a Tesla in my garage because they bore me shitless.
I don't own a Tesla, and probably won't. But I admire what they've done.
As for American cars, they were kind of cool in the 1920s.
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage I think driverless cars are a chimera. They increase congestion not reduce it.
I'm not sure that's correct. True driverless cars would competently tailgate, communicating to other cars around it to ensure ease of traffic flow. But despite the promises (that the SEC can't be fucked penalising) automation in the public space is a long way off. The standards don't exist, the shared infrastructure doesn't exist and the computing power in cars doesn't exist.
I guess you may be right Tesla fan bois are very ardent and may be blinded to the fact that the product isn't the best.
They're objectively, measurably terrible in every facet other than battery performance (technology that they licence in partnership).
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@nostrildamus said in Electric Vehicles:
@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
I’m not arguing your point about the importance of outside markets for Japanese manufacturers, I’m explaining that there are likely social infrastructure reasons for the reluctance of all of the Japanese manufacturers to fully commit to EV.
I get that (and a similar issue in Europe and Seoul and even parts of China) but
1 There are quite a few highly profitable markets and models from Toyota (and I think Honda?) that don't even exist in Japan
2 Japan has a pride issue in this space and a key person is hassling them over it and they do some crazy things (I mean, does a Japanese urban dweller need a rotary engine car?)
3 There is technology to recharge as you drive over it and battery swap markets in South Korea or networks people can join (for a fee of course)
(but S Korea has had this sort of thing since 2013!)
World’s first permanent vehicle-charging electric road to be built in Sweden | IceNews - Daily News
Sweden’s highway network is set to build the world’s first permanent electric road in the country by 2025, which will allow electric vehicles to charg...
Apart from the hideous expense, those things have existed for ever. They're called trains.
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I have often wondered why car batteries can't be used to help power households.
I.e - be a Powerwall.
They should be a key part of running a renewables based grid / household consumption. So energy is stored when generation is strong (wind, solar, tidal etc) and then when it's weak households drain the car battery before applying to the grid.
It all seems fairly basic maths to me.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
I have often wondered why car batteries can't be used to help power households.
I.e - be a Powerwall.
They should be a key part of running a renewables based grid / household consumption. So energy is stored when generation is strong (wind, solar, tidal etc) and then when it's weak households drain the car battery before applying to the grid.
It all seems fairly basic maths to me.
That’s because it IS bleedingly obvious. Can’t speak for other countries but the issues here are:
- not enough EVs
- not enough smart meters
- electricity retailers doing their best to nullify the benefit of resi solar and batteries / EVs by extension
As always, lots of vested interests and political point scoring getting in the way of doing anything productive.
Micro-grids in a community make so much sense to me.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
I have often wondered why car batteries can't be used to help power households.
I.e - be a Powerwall.
They should be a key part of running a renewables based grid / household consumption. So energy is stored when generation is strong (wind, solar, tidal etc) and then when it's weak households drain the car battery before applying to the grid.
It all seems fairly basic maths to me.
F150 Lightning, Hyundai Ioniq, the Nissan Leaf and I think the KIA all do home charging.
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@voodoo said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
I have often wondered why car batteries can't be used to help power households.
I.e - be a Powerwall.
They should be a key part of running a renewables based grid / household consumption. So energy is stored when generation is strong (wind, solar, tidal etc) and then when it's weak households drain the car battery before applying to the grid.
It all seems fairly basic maths to me.
That’s because it IS bleedingly obvious. Can’t speak for other countries but the issues here are:
- not enough EVs
- not enough smart meters
- electricity retailers doing their best to nullify the benefit of resi solar and batteries / EVs by extension
As always, lots of vested interests and political point scoring getting in the way of doing anything productive.
Micro-grids in a community make so much sense to me.
It's obvious? It's not obvious to me why this colossal energy storage thing in your car can't be used to power your house during peak load / expensive times then charged during reduced load times.
Yes, this can only work for those with electric cars & houses, but thats gotta be a sizeable portion.
Understood on the vested interests. I just find it annoying that here in the UK, there is wind generation capacity for up to around 75% of requirements ... but as soon as the wind stops blowing (literally) it drops to zero. Yes, I understand your point about micro grids, but that isn't a quick / cheap fix. Where as taking advantage of these huge power reserves parked on your driveway feels like it is.
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
I have often wondered why car batteries can't be used to help power households.
I.e - be a Powerwall.
They should be a key part of running a renewables based grid / household consumption. So energy is stored when generation is strong (wind, solar, tidal etc) and then when it's weak households drain the car battery before applying to the grid.
It all seems fairly basic maths to me.
F150 Lightning, Hyundai Ioniq, the Nissan Leaf and I think the KIA all do home charging.
Right, the basic technology is there. I would have thought like everything else, Tesla would be leading this.
Although I guess that would sell less power walls.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
I have often wondered why car batteries can't be used to help power households.
I.e - be a Powerwall.
They should be a key part of running a renewables based grid / household consumption. So energy is stored when generation is strong (wind, solar, tidal etc) and then when it's weak households drain the car battery before applying to the grid.
It all seems fairly basic maths to me.
F150 Lightning, Hyundai Ioniq, the Nissan Leaf and I think the KIA all do home charging.
Right, the basic technology is there. I would have thought like everything else, Tesla would be leading this.
Although I guess that would sell less power walls.
Cynical, but a good point!
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@voodoo said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
I have often wondered why car batteries can't be used to help power households.
I.e - be a Powerwall.
They should be a key part of running a renewables based grid / household consumption. So energy is stored when generation is strong (wind, solar, tidal etc) and then when it's weak households drain the car battery before applying to the grid.
It all seems fairly basic maths to me.
That’s because it IS bleedingly obvious. Can’t speak for other countries but the issues here are:
- not enough EVs
- not enough smart meters
- electricity retailers doing their best to nullify the benefit of resi solar and batteries / EVs by extension
As always, lots of vested interests and political point scoring getting in the way of doing anything productive.
Micro-grids in a community make so much sense to me.
It's obvious? It's not obvious to me why this colossal energy storage thing in your car can't be used to power your house during peak load / expensive times then charged during reduced load times.
Yes, this can only work for those with electric cars & houses, but thats gotta be a sizeable portion.
Understood on the vested interests. I just find it annoying that here in the UK, there is wind generation capacity for up to around 75% of requirements ... but as soon as the wind stops blowing (literally) it drops to zero. Yes, I understand your point about micro grids, but that isn't a quick / cheap fix. Where as taking advantage of these huge power reserves parked on your driveway feels like it is.
I mean it's obvious (to me, to you, and to anyone else that works even close to the fringes of electricity, renewables, the automobile industry etc) that a decent-sized battery sitting in your carport should be part of your household energy mix!
It gets talked about plenty here by advocates for renewables and EV's - but there remain so many blockages still. Really frustrating
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
"It's expected V2G will be standard on all new EVs by 2025."
Bidirectional chargers for EVs are finally approved in Australia, and they'll be a game changer
A new kind of charger that allows an electric vehicle to be used as a giant home battery is close to going on sale in Australia. So how does it work and is it worth the price?
I understand someone got this working in South Australia but had to go through a considerable amount of red tape so this being connected en masse (well, EV en masse) by 2025 sounds optimistic to me.
ah, here it is, there was a trial mentioned in December
Electric cars to power South Australian homes in new trial
South Australia has become the first jurisdiction to allow private electric-car owners to send their battery’s energy back into their homes.
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@nostrildamus said in Electric Vehicles:
@JC said in Electric Vehicles:
@nostrildamus ... and yet, they can't make a car that I'd actually want to drive. Sales in America are of course important for their profitability but the US has honestly given us very little in the way of decent cars. Sometimes iconic, sure, but not often objectively good.
Toyota you mean? Yep, not known for the driving experience.
No, Tesla.
