RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia
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We had half of our starting pack unavailable for that french match.
Frizzel, Lomax, Cane and BBBR. And we then played Vaai at 6.
But I agree with your point - what has changed from 2 months ago?
Maybe the teams we played were underdone but I can’t see how we were so far ahead of them as we had only been together for 10 or so days before playing Argentina.
Maybe we have repeated our ‘99 year where after a bad year previously, we had to prove a point straight away against teams that were building for the World Cup and we played our best rugby before the RWC started?
Maybe this squad isn’t drilled hard enough and it shows through the lack of discipline and lack of consistency?
We can speculate all we like but the fact is this side is capable of playing great rugby but it feels as though they will die wondering in this World cup
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@akan004 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discipline is still a massive worry. 12 penalties conceded against a poor side like Namibia is a terrible stat.
Not sure why this continues to be an issue. Perhaps the coaches are far too nice and the players don't fear them. Drop serial offenders for a game and I bet they don't do it again. Whatever it is they better fix it fast.
Because foster thinks their discipline is fine, even good
“We knew people expected us to win, and sometimes those games can get loose on you and you can start searching for stuff. I liked the discipline. It came off the platform of doing some basic stuff consistently well up front.
12 penalties to 7, and a red card versus tier 3 side is pleasing discipline in the foster zone
The same article mentioned David Havili was a “bright spark” in midfield.
Against a team with a World Cup 259 points for 1388 against record…..21 games without a win but a weather effected draw with Canada in 2019.
Yeah, I didn't talk about the ridiculous opinions in the article, I just quoted Foster directly. He thought the midfield 'grew into the game' - ie once Ioane was on it improved
Except for that amazing pass to grass 15m out from our line
But the starting midfield was average. Nothing glaringly bad, just nothing good given the level of opposition. If you can't shine in this game you are doing nothing against Ireland
I have been one of the bigger ALB fans on this board, but he's evolved in to Aaron Mauger, good in theory, not in practice
No one in the NH is offering bang average megabucks. Only NZR believe he is a once in a generation talent so he is earning way more here than he could overseas.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
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@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Maybe this squad isn’t drilled hard enough and it shows through the lack of discipline and lack of consistency?
We can speculate all we like but the fact is this side is capable of playing great rugby but it feels as though they will die wondering in this World cup
I'm hoping we're treating the build-up like Super rugby - you don't want to be peaking three weeks out from the play-offs - building slowly AND doing enough to win.
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@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
Fifita had enough freak athleticism that I wished they had persisted with him more.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
Fifita had enough freak athleticism that I wished they had persisted with him more.
I missed this game where he played 8, greedy but athletic bugger with concentration problems but opportunistic speed, IMO; I always thought with a bit more muscle and those long arms he'd make an interesting 8.
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@tubbyj yeah it seems we keep picking guys for how we think the game should be played, high pace without a big bruiser defending the blind and big ball carrier at 8, instead we have several players who aren't quite a 6, or a 7 or an 8, but we throw them together and the this means we rely heavily on our tight 5, and we have played our best ball carrying fatty out of form, we get little from our props, putting a massive load on BR, SW and SB.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
Fifita had enough freak athleticism that I wished they had persisted with him more.
I missed this game where he played 8, greedy but athletic bugger with concentration problems but opportunistic speed, IMO; I always thought with a bit more muscle and those long arms he'd make an interesting 8.
He looks to have more than enough, that was a very good try he got.
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@Stargazer roll them dice 🎲
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@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
The Jason Holland philosophy... didn't work against teams not named Crusaders, Chiefs, Blues, Brumbies. So not entirely successful at Super Rugby level is it? Unless you are playing the comparatively unfit & poorly conditioned Australian teams.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@akan004 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@ploughboy said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@booboo said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Unpopular opinion:
Dane Coles is our best hooker right now. Discuss.
i was thinking during the game that was a impressive shift. if only we had that depth in all postions
I saw this on twitter. It's scary when you see all the names listed down. We have so much top class talent playing overseas.
Pointless tweet
Add to those:
Luteru Tolai, Brian Alainu’uese, Taleni Seu, So’otala Fa’aso’o, Samuel Slade, Sa Jordan Taufua, Chris Vui, Ereatara Enari, Jonathan Taumateine, Christian Leali’ifano, D’angelo Leuila, Duncan Paia’aua, Neria Fomai, Nigel Ah Wong, Danny Toala, Paula Ngauamo, Samiuela Moli, Tau Koloamatangi, Joe Apikotoa, Sam Lousi, Augustine Pulu, Manu Paea, William Havili, Otumaka Mausia, Pita Ahki, Fini Inisi, Kyren Taumoefolau, Anzelo Tuitavuki, Craig Millar, Michael Leitch, Lomano Lemeki, Hame Faiva, Toa Halafihi, Hinckley Vaovasa, Jason Tomane, Gareth Anscombe, Jordan Uelese, Will Skelton, Lalakai Foketi, Zuriel Togiatama, Te Ahiwaru Cirikidaveta, Isoa Nasilasila, and sorta Caleb Muntz.NZ have ALWAYS provided the most players at every RWC, by a factor of 3. No change
You’ve made most of those names up
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
This is the most awful part of the game...there is obstruction at every bloody maul
Check out Kitshoff dragging Scots tackler over line when PSDT 'scored'.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Opposition is not very good. But Roigard surely has to be the bench 9. Just takes the right options every time.
IMPACT
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So just saw the game. What did we get out of it? We still do stupid, dumb, ridiculous and out and out mental shit in our own 22. Cam Roigard is pushing for the 9 jersey? We've now lost another player. Also, do the refs hate the ABs? It's like there's an APB out on them. I know it's only Namibia, but did the ABs do anything to show they will be a threat in the QF?
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@voodoo said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@akan004 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@ploughboy said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@booboo said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Unpopular opinion:
Dane Coles is our best hooker right now. Discuss.
i was thinking during the game that was a impressive shift. if only we had that depth in all postions
I saw this on twitter. It's scary when you see all the names listed down. We have so much top class talent playing overseas.
Pointless tweet
Add to those:
Luteru Tolai, Brian Alainu’uese, Taleni Seu, So’otala Fa’aso’o, Samuel Slade, Sa Jordan Taufua, Chris Vui, Ereatara Enari, Jonathan Taumateine, Christian Leali’ifano, D’angelo Leuila, Duncan Paia’aua, Neria Fomai, Nigel Ah Wong, Danny Toala, Paula Ngauamo, Samiuela Moli, Tau Koloamatangi, Joe Apikotoa, Sam Lousi, Augustine Pulu, Manu Paea, William Havili, Otumaka Mausia, Pita Ahki, Fini Inisi, Kyren Taumoefolau, Anzelo Tuitavuki, Craig Millar, Michael Leitch, Lomano Lemeki, Hame Faiva, Toa Halafihi, Hinckley Vaovasa, Jason Tomane, Gareth Anscombe, Jordan Uelese, Will Skelton, Lalakai Foketi, Zuriel Togiatama, Te Ahiwaru Cirikidaveta, Isoa Nasilasila, and sorta Caleb Muntz.NZ have ALWAYS provided the most players at every RWC, by a factor of 3. No change
You’ve made most of those names up
I don't have that much imagination
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@voodoo said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@akan004 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@ploughboy said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@booboo said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Unpopular opinion:
Dane Coles is our best hooker right now. Discuss.
i was thinking during the game that was a impressive shift. if only we had that depth in all postions
I saw this on twitter. It's scary when you see all the names listed down. We have so much top class talent playing overseas.
Pointless tweet
Add to those:
Luteru Tolai, Brian Alainu’uese, Taleni Seu, So’otala Fa’aso’o, Samuel Slade, Sa Jordan Taufua, Chris Vui, Ereatara Enari, Jonathan Taumateine, Christian Leali’ifano, D’angelo Leuila, Duncan Paia’aua, Neria Fomai, Nigel Ah Wong, Danny Toala, Paula Ngauamo, Samiuela Moli, Tau Koloamatangi, Joe Apikotoa, Sam Lousi, Augustine Pulu, Manu Paea, William Havili, Otumaka Mausia, Pita Ahki, Fini Inisi, Kyren Taumoefolau, Anzelo Tuitavuki, Craig Millar, Michael Leitch, Lomano Lemeki, Hame Faiva, Toa Halafihi, Hinckley Vaovasa, Jason Tomane, Gareth Anscombe, Jordan Uelese, Will Skelton, Lalakai Foketi, Zuriel Togiatama, Te Ahiwaru Cirikidaveta, Isoa Nasilasila, and sorta Caleb Muntz.NZ have ALWAYS provided the most players at every RWC, by a factor of 3. No change
You’ve made most of those names up
I don't have that much imagination
Yeah, a quick glance and I know the majority of those names. Why only sorta Caleb Muntz? He's Maori. Oh, cos he's injured?
