Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Santer. 24 tests. 41 wickets @ 45.63.
He's great with the white ball but do we need to see if that is finally going to carry over to tests? It hasn't previously.
I know that stats aren't everything, but Mitchel and Ravindra could make up a fill in 5th bowler that would likely achieve something like Santner's numbers.
I assume that Michael Bracewell is still injured? Other option is to take a punt on Phillips (gulp) but as a 5th bowler I'd actually give him more chance of taking wickets than Santner. Getting 20 wickets being the object after all.
I don't think Bracewell is the answer either
Another “oh he bats a bit but most importantly he bowls spin” let’s get him in the team ASAP type players.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Santer. 24 tests. 41 wickets @ 45.63.
He's great with the white ball but do we need to see if that is finally going to carry over to tests? It hasn't previously.
I know that stats aren't everything, but Mitchel and Ravindra could make up a fill in 5th bowler that would likely achieve something like Santner's numbers.
I assume that Michael Bracewell is still injured? Other option is to take a punt on Phillips (gulp) but as a 5th bowler I'd actually give him more chance of taking wickets than Santner. Getting 20 wickets being the object after all.
I don't think Bracewell is the answer either
Another “oh he bats a bit but most importantly he bowls spin” let’s get him in the team ASAP type players.
Middling journeymen shouldn't have a place in the rest team. Decent at both disciplines, master of neither. Either you go for a wicket taking spinner, like Ajaz, or a quality bat that can bowl a bit (Ravindra)
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
So, who are these star spinners that go in if we don't play Santner, Bracewell (still injured) or Phillips?
@canefan Ajaz is in the team above already. So the wicket taking replacement for Santner is....
Would assume Ajaz and Sodhi are the 2 main spinners, as per Pak tour a year ago.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
So, who are these star spinners that go in if we don't play Santner, Bracewell (still injured) or Phillips?
@canefan Ajaz is in the team above already. So the wicket taking replacement for Santner is....
Would assume Ajaz and Sodhi are the 2 main spinners, as per Pak tour a year ago.
Yes, and they are in the team mentioned. Did you read the thread...?
So who is this other one that is to replace Santner if Nicholls goes in for Ravindra? If we aren't considering batters who can bowl a bit (as @canefan mentions) like Ravindra, Phillips or even the injured M Bracewell, I was asking who were these other dedicated spinners?
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
So, who are these star spinners that go in if we don't play Santner, Bracewell (still injured) or Phillips?
@canefan Ajaz is in the team above already. So the wicket taking replacement for Santner is....
Would assume Ajaz and Sodhi are the 2 main spinners, as per Pak tour a year ago.
Yes, and they are in the team mentioned. Did you read the thread...?
So who is this other one that is to replace Santner if Nicholls goes in for Ravindra? If we aren't considering batters who can bowl a bit (as @canefan mentions) like Ravindra, Phillips or even the injured M Bracewell, I was asking who were these other dedicated spinners?
Does anyone have knowledge of upcoming spinners on the domestic scene? If it's a choice between trying to blood an up and comer vs rolling out a guy like Santner with little future upside, I'd take a chance on a prospect
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Far too early to tell but Adithya Ashok is probably our best chance of finding an international quality spinner in the coming years:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/adithya-ashok-1193546He has already played a T20 for NZ and is only 21. I think he will be at least as good as Sodhi and Patel but not sure yet if he will be able to reach Vettori's level.
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
able to reach Vettori's level
As a spinner, Vettori was solid, but really didn't run throuhg sides. Ashok could do that - he's unlikely to match Vettori's all round qualities, but as a pure spinner he should go past him.
This is me being optimistic of course
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@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
So, who are these star spinners that go in if we don't play Santner, Bracewell (still injured) or Phillips?
@canefan Ajaz is in the team above already. So the wicket taking replacement for Santner is....
Would assume Ajaz and Sodhi are the 2 main spinners, as per Pak tour a year ago.
Yes, and they are in the team mentioned. Did you read the thread...?
So who is this other one that is to replace Santner if Nicholls goes in for Ravindra? If we aren't considering batters who can bowl a bit (as @canefan mentions) like Ravindra, Phillips or even the injured M Bracewell, I was asking who were these other dedicated spinners?
Does anyone have knowledge of upcoming spinners on the domestic scene? If it's a choice between trying to blood an up and comer vs rolling out a guy like Santner with little future upside, I'd take a chance on a prospect
Yeah but Santner will probably get in because he’s “experienced”
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@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
able to reach Vettori's level
As a spinner, Vettori was solid, but really didn't run throuhg sides. Ashok could do that - he's unlikely to match Vettori's all round qualities, but as a pure spinner he should go past him.
This is me being optimistic of course
Vettori got every ounce of talent out of himself as a cricketer and I admire him hugely for that.
He got 20 “Michelle’s” which is a pretty damn good return. 2nd most ever behind the immortal Sir Paddles…..I consider getting five wickets in an innings “running through a side” so I think you’re doing him a bit of a disservice with that comment.
He was no Warnie, Murali or Kumble ( of his era ) but he was a very good spinner. I grew to love DV, he would have made most sides squads in the era he played.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
So, who are these star spinners that go in if we don't play Santner, Bracewell (still injured) or Phillips?
@canefan Ajaz is in the team above already. So the wicket taking replacement for Santner is....
Would assume Ajaz and Sodhi are the 2 main spinners, as per Pak tour a year ago.
Yes, and they are in the team mentioned. Did you read the thread...?
So who is this other one that is to replace Santner if Nicholls goes in for Ravindra? If we aren't considering batters who can bowl a bit (as @canefan mentions) like Ravindra, Phillips or even the injured M Bracewell, I was asking who were these other dedicated spinners?
Does anyone have knowledge of upcoming spinners on the domestic scene? If it's a choice between trying to blood an up and comer vs rolling out a guy like Santner with little future upside, I'd take a chance on a prospect
Yeah but Santner will probably get in because he’s “experienced”
And with that kind of thinking from management we won't get back to where we were a few years earlier
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I missed the Santner chat earlier. Red ball is one thing, but TSF cliches are underplaying his white ball status with "good-ish". CSK are happy to retain him, which isn't the case for all; https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/301015719/five-black-caps-players-released-by-indian-premier-league-franchises-for-2024
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
I missed the Santner chat earlier. Red ball is one thing, but TSF cliches are underplaying his white ball status with "good-ish". CSK are happy to retain him, which isn't the case for all; https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/301015719/five-black-caps-players-released-by-indian-premier-league-franchises-for-2024
Talking up Santner is not the fern way
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Am wondering if Santner is a modern version of a Chris Harris. One of the first picks in a white ball team, just not so much red ball.
We've had many players like that over the years. Gavin Larsen also springs to mind
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@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Am wondering if Santner is a modern version of a Chris Harris. One of the first picks in a white ball team, just not so much red ball.
We've had many players like that over the years. Gavin Larsen also springs to mind
He did ok in the few tests he played. Like a latter day Ewen Chatfield. Chris Harris’s test figures make for horrific reading.
Andre Adam’s was another. Six wickets in the only test he played is a super effort.
His first class numbers were terrific too, does annoy one remember why he never featured more ?
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@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Am wondering if Santner is a modern version of a Chris Harris. One of the first picks in a white ball team, just not so much red ball.
We've had many players like that over the years. Gavin Larsen also springs to mind
Colin de Grandhomme!
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@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Am wondering if Santner is a modern version of a Chris Harris. One of the first picks in a white ball team, just not so much red ball.
We've had many players like that over the years. Gavin Larsen also springs to mind
Colin de Grandhomme!
He often had a knack of fronting in tests. When he wasn't going out with a whimper!
