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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
Relevant - Chris Trotter
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It isn't a coherent position to stand with the increasingly radical position that leftists have taken in alliance with maori activists. The media, which is entirely filled with liberal leftists who think they gain moral authority from these positions, is rendering itself irrelevant. Look into polling on TV engagement, it is entirely the geriatrics consuming this media.
You can't claim to be for workers and unions when you deliver literally nothing for most of your six years in office, forcing through fair pay agreements but no industrial awards, no mandatory overtime pay, no increases in kiwisaver matching minimum or even requiring employers to pay kiwisaver contributions if the employee doesn't etc. The Labour party showed an immense pleasure in crushing anyone to the right of the milquetoast liberal faction of the National party, unleashing open media doxxing of wrongthinkers, scorning at the peasant uprising in February 2022 while lecturing us on the evils of trad wives. All the while, imposing a cultural revolution focused on Te Reo as some sort of unifying national language and bringing all media in line with the same narratives.
The Labour Party can't claim to be for raising workers wages while giving into the capitalist demands for cheap labour, approving visas for thousands of foreigners with almost no oversight. Wages skyrocketed during the period of closed borders, this was not remarked upon or even analysed as improving the conditions of workers.
The Establishment (specifically the Sycophantic Media which was Stuff, Spinoff, Herald, TVNZ and RNZ) has a legitimacy crisis. You can not displace the legitimacy crisis by simply telling people to shut up, eat it and then moaning about the angry majority voting for parties which promise to use parliamentary supremacy to overthrow the undemocratic forces of the Treaty Agenda imposed through Judicial rulings and activist legislation. The reality is, the bully pulpit is falling apart and coercing the reader mass to a coherent position in an age where you pick your own media consumption is not going anywhere
Labour has also not selected for anyone worth the light of day. Other than McAnulty, there is no viable replacement leader. The pool of talent is effective NGO activists, former journalists, medical professionals (who don't have a good track record as health ministers), teachers, solicitors and pol sci graduates. The self licking ice cream cone of professionals who depend on the state for their salary, moving to govern the state in their own favour has transformed the party from the party of workers to the party of petit bourgeoisie.
The party is so hated by a very large portion of the population that Jacinda can't even live in the country anymore and seems to be living in exile in the Land of the Great Satan.
The appropriate answer is for Labour to select a new talent pool. Pick up some Engineers, Programmers, Accountants, maybe a few people who actually work for a living? A Carpenter or Electrician or anything like that. Come out with some coherent policy set, the cult of personality around Jacinda was a core reason for the absolute hatred of her now. Find a Charismatic young white or mixed Maori guy with a pretty wife and 2.5 children to sooth the nation. Or disappear into history.
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Quality rant.
I particularly liked this bit:
@Frank said in NZ Politics:
The self licking ice cream cone of professionals who depend on the state
But - you're right. The push has been to show and do the visibly 'good' thing, rather than do things that actually have a positive impact. The pumping of money into the economy during Covid was an example of this - short term sugar rush, that went on and on, and the end result was asset owners got wealthier, inequality increased and the people hit hardest were low income - ie particularly Maori. The rhetoric and the actions don't align.
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@Frank said in NZ Politics:
The appropriate answer is for Labour to select a new talent pool. Pick up some Engineers, Programmers, Accountants, maybe a few people who actually work for a living? A Carpenter or Electrician or anything like that.
How many of them are likely to vote left these days?
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@Frank said in NZ Politics:
The appropriate answer is for Labour to select a new talent pool. Pick up some Engineers, Programmers, Accountants, maybe a few people who actually work for a living? A Carpenter or Electrician or anything like that.
How many of them are likely to vote last these days?
Last, or Labour?
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@Frank said in NZ Politics:
The appropriate answer is for Labour to select a new talent pool. Pick up some Engineers, Programmers, Accountants, maybe a few people who actually work for a living? A Carpenter or Electrician or anything like that.
How many of them are likely to vote last these days?
Last, or Labour?
Autocorrect. Sorry.
Left
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@Frank I don't tell radicals at either end of the spectrum to shut up because unless you give them the oxygen of publicity as Seymour has done with Maori they are a total irrelevance. I didn't criticise the Freedom Party or all the other lunatiuc fringe either.
My points remain
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What actual threat against democracy or all the other hyperbole posted on here exists except amongst the fringe elements of Maoridom?
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Seymour's grandstanding has actually mobilised support for above lunatics. At best an own goal. At worst a shameless attempt to garner support by creating a sort of McCarthyism reds under the bed paranoia.
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Total waste of energy. All the current bullshit and posturing is doing is undermining National and distracting the government from the real issues facing NZ.
Don't get me wrong I'm just as disgusted by the virtue signalling #ToituTeTiriti by the Grey Lynn Chardonnay Socialists.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
Quality rant.
I particularly liked this bit:
@Frank said in NZ Politics:
The self licking ice cream cone of professionals who depend on the state
But - you're right. The push has been to show and do the visibly 'good' thing, rather than do things that actually have a positive impact. The pumping of money into the economy during Covid was an example of this - short term sugar rush, that went on and on, and the end result was asset owners got wealthier, inequality increased and the people hit hardest were low income - ie particularly Maori. The rhetoric and the actions don't align.
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I not syre the pumping money into economy was particularly a left thing.
I lived in Aus and had a business that was getting money left, right and cntre, and was a left(labour) party running the country. Just seemed to be how a few countries thought they would get through the downturn. I not saying it was the way to go, but seems a few Governments thought it was. -
@Dan54 said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
Quality rant.
I particularly liked this bit:
@Frank said in NZ Politics:
The self licking ice cream cone of professionals who depend on the state
But - you're right. The push has been to show and do the visibly 'good' thing, rather than do things that actually have a positive impact. The pumping of money into the economy during Covid was an example of this - short term sugar rush, that went on and on, and the end result was asset owners got wealthier, inequality increased and the people hit hardest were low income - ie particularly Maori. The rhetoric and the actions don't align.
I
I not syre the pumping money into economy was particularly a left thing.
I lived in Aus and had a business that was getting money left, right and cntre, and was a left(labour) party running the country. Just seemed to be how a few countries thought they would get through the downturn. I not saying it was the way to go, but seems a few Governments thought it was.it wasn't the initial money pumping - it was the 'on and on' bit that did the damage. It was the right thing to do, but the cost/benefit rapidly dropped off.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Frank I don't tell radicals at either end of the spectrum to shut up because unless you give them the oxygen of publicity as Seymour has done with Maori they are a total irrelevance. I didn't criticise the Freedom Party or all the other lunatiuc fringe either.
My points remain
What actual threat against democracy or all the other hyperbole posted on here exists except amongst the fringe elements of Maoridom?
Seymour's grandstanding has actually mobilised support for above lunatics. At best an own goal. At worst a shameless attempt to garner support by creating a sort of McCarthyism reds under the bed paranoia.
Total waste of energy. All the current bullshit and posturing is doing is undermining National and distracting the government from the real issues facing NZ.
Don't get me wrong I'm just as disgusted by the virtue signalling #ToituTeTiriti by the Grey Lynn Chardonnay Socialists.
Total waste of energy, Yet, you seem to spend a lot of energy posting on this topic.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in NZ Politics:
Mate, I think you've summed up the problems seemingly most western democracies face more eloquently than any mega paid political journalist.
That wasn't me.
It was a blog post comment by someone else.
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@Frank said in NZ Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in NZ Politics:
Mate, I think you've summed up the problems seemingly most western democracies face more eloquently than any mega paid political journalist.
That wasn't me.
It was a blog post comment by someone else.
Wish I could take credit!I invoke @dogmeat's Rule: "It is un-Fern like not to silently accept undeserved praise."
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I had completely written Seymour off. After one interview and one brief comment he made when back in NZ
How wrong I was to react so quickly. Based on this interview and his previous talk I posted.
But some thrive in opposition. Some in Govt. Seymour seems to be the latter.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
So my kids come home from school and a teacher said in front of the students "I know some of you come from racist homes because your parents voted for National or Act, but we pronounce Maori words properly here".
Awesome. Kids think he's a moron.
Fuck that's some bullshit
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
So my kids come home from school and a teacher said in front of the students "I know some of you come from racist homes because your parents voted for National or Act, but we pronounce Maori words properly here".
Awesome. Kids think he's a moron.
This sounds like satire.
I hope you’re going to complain to the school ?
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