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    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Why not 20 front row?

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    In my opinion I believe Sam Cane will be in the All Blacks this year.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

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    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    In Super Rugby, teams travel with 27 man squads. This always includes a spare hooker, prop who can play on both sides and a halfback, because they're specialist positions. All Blacks even when in New Zealand are travelling, so they'll definitely cover three nines.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    The Māori All Blacks are playing a Japan XV in two tests in June/July so that would give some eligible players a chance to impress.

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    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    I think the Six Nations sides all dropped their standards this year (which is normal following a World Cup and I'd generally expect the same of the NZ and Oz, except they've both got new coaches). Wales and Italy may be the exceptions but the only way for both was really up, and it's hard to measure their competence given the drop of the other sides.

    If full sides are selected we'll soon know how shit the 6N teams are 😉

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    Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least

    I would think this year they would want to see as many HBs in the environment as possible too.

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    @Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.

    I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.

    Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Why not 20 front row?

    Not planning to replicate the Tahs?

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least

    DMac?

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least

    DMac?

    So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.

    I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.

    Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.

    Newshub reported that he has retired from international rugby. The inference is that retirement is effective immediately, as they lead with the fact that the ABs will have a new captain. Is that not correct (I would not be surprised)

    EDIT: He is still keen to play test rugby this season, good on ya Newshub

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350276105/i-had-my-time-captain-sam-cane-still-wants-all-blacks-no-7-jersey-final-season

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least

    DMac?

    So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?

    Beaudy is our starting 10.

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    Provided he was fit, they'll look to get him five tests to get him to 100 I think... is he in the top side? Time will tell.

    The obvious three are Fiji, Japan and Italy. Maybe Argie and Aussie?

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?

    Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.

    Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.

    Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least

    DMac?

    So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?

    Beaudy is our starting 10.

    That's yuck. Beauden Barrett was a shit 10 when he last played there, 2 years ago.

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    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Provided he was fit, they'll look to get him five tests to get him to 100 I think... is he in the top side? Time will tell.

    The obvious three are Fiji, Japan and Italy. Maybe Argie and Aussie?

    Generally speaking there's not a lot of room for sentimentality in rugby but, all the same, would be nice to see him go out captaining the side against Argentina or something in his 100th cap.

    He's been an underrated and underappreciated player and captain for the team for a number of years now and he deserves a final match that isn't that World Cup final.

    Ignoring his departure, however, I'd still prefer a fit and firing Sam Cane at 7 against the likes of England and South Africa (though I don't know if either of those adjectives apply to him currently) but we do need to see if Hoskins Sotutu can handle those types of teams (assuming he's given another chance to prove himself...), so who knows what will happen?

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