All Blacks 2024
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@MN5 Fifita had real gas.
Akira a more rounded player than Frizell, but until this year not a great cleaner. Tremendous under Stern and best 6 in Superb rugby.Yeah he was the best athlete of them and I hoped he could have learned some of the finer details of forward play.
Ioane should have been picked this year but theres no guarantee he woulda dominated.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey Papalii seems to be on the outer so let's see if he replaces Cane. Lakai might be the player they look at to provide more mobility. It's clear that Robertson prefers some versatility in the loose forwards, and that the 7 needs to do the dirty work to allow Savea to do his thing.
Yeah don't know what the go is with Papali'i, but I do agree that they don't seem overly keen on him. They seem to prefer Jacobsen due to his ability to cover all 3 positions, so he seems like a lock for the bench spot with Papali’i or Blackadder gunning for the starting 7 spot which you would have to say if fit, Blackadder is probably the frontrunner.
It's always been the case with Savea, hence why they loved Frizzell and Cane partnering him, as they were both deemed as the best cleaners and played better in close quarters under the previous management.
Frizell did polarise opinion. Great athlete and seem to recall him scoring four in an early Superb game. But inconsistent for ABs although seemed to work more effectively with Cane than any other combo.
His try against Boks at Mt. Smart when he Lomued WLR was a thing of beauty.
The fern hated Frizell because he apparently took Akira Ioanes jersey.
When he was good he was really good, why couldn’t he have more storming matches like the one against SA ?
Vaea Fifita was arguably even more physically gifted and he was even less consistent.
The Fern hated Frizell because he mostly shit outside of the one game everyone always bring up, and he's a piece of shit human being.
If he's the answer then we may as well just start praying to our new NRL gods.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey Papalii seems to be on the outer so let's see if he replaces Cane. Lakai might be the player they look at to provide more mobility. It's clear that Robertson prefers some versatility in the loose forwards, and that the 7 needs to do the dirty work to allow Savea to do his thing.
Yeah don't know what the go is with Papali'i, but I do agree that they don't seem overly keen on him. They seem to prefer Jacobsen due to his ability to cover all 3 positions, so he seems like a lock for the bench spot with Papali’i or Blackadder gunning for the starting 7 spot which you would have to say if fit, Blackadder is probably the frontrunner.
It's always been the case with Savea, hence why they loved Frizzell and Cane partnering him, as they were both deemed as the best cleaners and played better in close quarters under the previous management.
Frizell did polarise opinion. Great athlete and seem to recall him scoring four in an early Superb game. But inconsistent for ABs although seemed to work more effectively with Cane than any other combo.
His try against Boks at Mt. Smart when he Lomued WLR was a thing of beauty.
The fern hated Frizell because he apparently took Akira Ioanes jersey.
When he was good he was really good, why couldn’t he have more storming matches like the one against SA ?
Vaea Fifita was arguably even more physically gifted and he was even less consistent.
The Fern hated Frizell because he mostly shit outside of the one game everyone always bring up, and he's a piece of shit human being.
If he's the answer then we may as well just start praying to our new NRL gods.
Fair point, I did forget about that !
But Hansen and Foster both selected Fifita and Frizell ahead of Ioane at various times.
All had the potential to be much better than they ended up being.
All three should have had much better careers than they had.
The blueprint was there for one of them to become the hard running, hard tackling six that the ABs needed.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
They were all bad mismanaged along with Steve Luatua
Luatua and Piutau would have plugged big holes in our 2019 squad.
Charlie Faumuina for one of those middling 2019 props as well?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
- Williams
- Samisoni
- Tosi
- Fabian Holland
- Vaii
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Sotutu
- Roigard
- DMAC
- Rieko
- Clarke
- Proctor
- Narawa
- Jordan
Lets go mental in 2025.
No idea about Williams but would be intriguing to have the rest of the forward pack be open to claims of poaching.
Whangarei apparently
Sounds like one of the Tokoroan islands to me.
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Top 5 dominant tackles per 80 minutes this season:
1.77 Luke Jacobson
1.76 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
1.75 Patrick Tuipulotu
1.4 Sam Darry
1.36 Samipeni FinauWallace Sititi has been great but he isn't in the top 10 for dominant tackles which is something we've come to expect from a blindside.
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Top 10 tackles per 80 minutes
17.24 Luke Jacobson
15.74 Ethan Blackadder
15.57 Asafo Aumua
14.24 Samipeni Finau
13.88 Sam Cane
13.57 Sam Darry
12.85 Dalton Papali'i
12.56 Ardie Savea
12.42 Codie Taylor
12.35 Ofa Tu'ungafasiI think Sititi has been brilliant. What I expected. However he doesn't have a high defensive workrate and he doesn't make big hits so is he actually good 'both sides of the ball'? Is the 'both sides of the ball' just a bunch of weasel words?
People have claimed Finau was poor and he did nothing but he has a high defensive workrate and puts in big hits. Now I'm not going to say that Finau should be there instead of Sititi but I do think Finau actually got a raw deal and as a traditional blindside he has more potential at test level at 6 than Sititi. I personally think Sititi is better suited to 8. I wouldn't mind seeing a trio of:
- Sititi 7. Savea 6. Finau
I'd love to see Sotutu in the mix but he'll probably never play for the AB's again.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Horatio said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
This is a classic Bledisloe fluffer match for the ABs. An awful, awful Wallabies side to give them confidence they aren't on the wrong trajectory ahead of an EOYT.
A real team would have punished them for some of the silly mistakes they made out there.
It's the same Wallabies side that didn't entirely get humped by the Springboks, and won away against Argentina. For 120 minutes we owned the Springboks. It may have just been the game they needed to answer some questions.
It's the same Wallabies side that's ranked 10th in the world. The one we came close to losing to 2 weeks ago after leading 28-7 when we went to shit in the second half
In a dead rubber with nothing to lose this was the perfect game to try new players. Instead Robertson went safety-first with players past their best, learned little and, as far as questions are concerned, answered little
Some improvement in focus overall in this game (not hard considering the nadir of 2 weeks ago) but still nowhere near as good as we were this time last year.
So a 20 point win is not an improvement? Did we go to shit? Did we score points in the last quarter? Did we blank in the second half?
As I said, there was some improvement in focus, but it's bonkers to think not going to pieces and actually scoring points in the last quarter against the 10th based side is some magical, corner-turning improvement. Less than 12 months ago we came within one point of winning the RWC and - to use your words - we owned the Springboks for 75% of the game a few weeks back. Seriously?
Your memory is really short. Fosters side got humped 35-7 and was only a freak run from CamRoi from being blanked. Also lost for the first time in a pool match and almost lost to Australia twice.
Foster's gone. Live with it and focus on this teams direction.
TBF you're making comparisons with the RWC final 12 months ago. Let's face it, that RWC run was a complete anomaly for the Foster era. Give Razor Smith, Whitelock and RM and I dare say we'd be seeing some better results.
Not buying that. We haven't struggled much at 9 since injury put Christie out of the picture and zero drop-off with Scooter and Vaai and, let's face it, Mo'unga was a pretty average AB 10. The players who've dropped away have been the likes of Telea & Savea.
Ultimately I like what Razor is trying to achieve here, but we don't have the cattle to pull it off just yet.
Moving the goalposts there. Anyone who pointed that out last year was told it wasn't a problem, we had the cattle and it was all down to the coaching team.....
That's obviously on him to plan according to the strengths of what's available, but I feel there are plenty of positive signs
Sure, there are some positive signs. Players picked in the last couple of years have stepped up, forced changes from injuries have allowed Ratima and Sititi to shine, there's a bit more fluidity in attack and the D is good. But the mental side of things has gotten worse, much worse.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Top 10 tackles per 80 minutes
17.24 Luke Jacobson
15.74 Ethan Blackadder
15.57 Asafo Aumua
14.24 Samipeni Finau
13.88 Sam Cane
13.57 Sam Darry
12.85 Dalton Papali'i
12.56 Ardie Savea
12.42 Codie Taylor
12.35 Ofa Tu'ungafasiI think Sititi has been brilliant. What I expected. However he doesn't have a high defensive workrate and he doesn't make big hits so is he actually good 'both sides of the ball'? Is the 'both sides of the ball' just a bunch of weasel words?
People have claimed Finau was poor and he did nothing but he has a high defensive workrate and puts in big hits. Now I'm not going to say that Finau should be there instead of Sititi but I do think Finau actually got a raw deal and as a traditional blindside he has more potential at test level at 6 than Sititi. I personally think Sititi is better suited to 8. I wouldn't mind seeing a trio of:
- Sititi 7. Savea 6. Finau
I'd love to see Sotutu in the mix but he'll probably never play for the AB's again.
no interest in the guy topping both tacke stats?
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I don't get why people think Ardie has been poor?
He's made the most tackles - 108 tackles at 98%.
He's made the most dominant tackles of 9.
He's won the 2nd most lineouts of 19.
He's won the most turnovers of 7.
He's 2nd for most tries.
He's 2nd for defenders beaten.
These are not just loose forward stats but stats for all All Blacks.
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What’s the classification of a dominant tackle please?
