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  • BonesB Online
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    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Jet said in All Blacks 2024:

    1. Williams
    2. Samisoni
    3. Tosi
    4. Fabian Holland
    5. Vaii
    6. Sititi
    7. Lakai
    8. Sotutu
    9. Roigard
    10. DMAC
    11. Rieko
    12. Clarke
    13. Proctor
    14. Narawa
    15. Jordan

    Lets go mental in 2025.

    No idea about Williams but would be intriguing to have the rest of the forward pack be open to claims of poaching.

    Whangarei apparently

    Sounds like one of the Tokoroan islands to me.

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    Top 5 dominant tackles per 80 minutes this season:

    1.77 Luke Jacobson
    1.76 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
    1.75 Patrick Tuipulotu
    1.4 Sam Darry
    1.36 Samipeni Finau

    Wallace Sititi has been great but he isn't in the top 10 for dominant tackles which is something we've come to expect from a blindside.

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    Bovidae
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    @brodean Have you got the comparative stats for Papalii and Blackadder?

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    None of Sititi, Blackadder and Papali'i are in the top 10 for dominant tackles.

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    Top 10 tackles per 80 minutes

    17.24 Luke Jacobson
    15.74 Ethan Blackadder
    15.57 Asafo Aumua
    14.24 Samipeni Finau
    13.88 Sam Cane
    13.57 Sam Darry
    12.85 Dalton Papali'i
    12.56 Ardie Savea
    12.42 Codie Taylor
    12.35 Ofa Tu'ungafasi

    I think Sititi has been brilliant. What I expected. However he doesn't have a high defensive workrate and he doesn't make big hits so is he actually good 'both sides of the ball'? Is the 'both sides of the ball' just a bunch of weasel words?

    People have claimed Finau was poor and he did nothing but he has a high defensive workrate and puts in big hits. Now I'm not going to say that Finau should be there instead of Sititi but I do think Finau actually got a raw deal and as a traditional blindside he has more potential at test level at 6 than Sititi. I personally think Sititi is better suited to 8. I wouldn't mind seeing a trio of:

    1. Sititi 7. Savea 6. Finau

    I'd love to see Sotutu in the mix but he'll probably never play for the AB's again.

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    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    @Horatio said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

    This is a classic Bledisloe fluffer match for the ABs. An awful, awful Wallabies side to give them confidence they aren't on the wrong trajectory ahead of an EOYT.

    A real team would have punished them for some of the silly mistakes they made out there.

    It's the same Wallabies side that didn't entirely get humped by the Springboks, and won away against Argentina. For 120 minutes we owned the Springboks. It may have just been the game they needed to answer some questions.

    It's the same Wallabies side that's ranked 10th in the world. The one we came close to losing to 2 weeks ago after leading 28-7 when we went to shit in the second half

    In a dead rubber with nothing to lose this was the perfect game to try new players. Instead Robertson went safety-first with players past their best, learned little and, as far as questions are concerned, answered little

    Some improvement in focus overall in this game (not hard considering the nadir of 2 weeks ago) but still nowhere near as good as we were this time last year.

    So a 20 point win is not an improvement? Did we go to shit? Did we score points in the last quarter? Did we blank in the second half?

    As I said, there was some improvement in focus, but it's bonkers to think not going to pieces and actually scoring points in the last quarter against the 10th based side is some magical, corner-turning improvement. Less than 12 months ago we came within one point of winning the RWC and - to use your words - we owned the Springboks for 75% of the game a few weeks back. Seriously?

    Your memory is really short. Fosters side got humped 35-7 and was only a freak run from CamRoi from being blanked. Also lost for the first time in a pool match and almost lost to Australia twice.

    Foster's gone. Live with it and focus on this teams direction.

    TBF you're making comparisons with the RWC final 12 months ago. Let's face it, that RWC run was a complete anomaly for the Foster era. Give Razor Smith, Whitelock and RM and I dare say we'd be seeing some better results.

    Not buying that. We haven't struggled much at 9 since injury put Christie out of the picture and zero drop-off with Scooter and Vaai and, let's face it, Mo'unga was a pretty average AB 10. The players who've dropped away have been the likes of Telea & Savea.

    Ultimately I like what Razor is trying to achieve here, but we don't have the cattle to pull it off just yet.

    Moving the goalposts there. Anyone who pointed that out last year was told it wasn't a problem, we had the cattle and it was all down to the coaching team.....

    That's obviously on him to plan according to the strengths of what's available, but I feel there are plenty of positive signs

    Sure, there are some positive signs. Players picked in the last couple of years have stepped up, forced changes from injuries have allowed Ratima and Sititi to shine, there's a bit more fluidity in attack and the D is good. But the mental side of things has gotten worse, much worse.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Top 10 tackles per 80 minutes

    17.24 Luke Jacobson
    15.74 Ethan Blackadder
    15.57 Asafo Aumua
    14.24 Samipeni Finau
    13.88 Sam Cane
    13.57 Sam Darry
    12.85 Dalton Papali'i
    12.56 Ardie Savea
    12.42 Codie Taylor
    12.35 Ofa Tu'ungafasi

    I think Sititi has been brilliant. What I expected. However he doesn't have a high defensive workrate and he doesn't make big hits so is he actually good 'both sides of the ball'? Is the 'both sides of the ball' just a bunch of weasel words?

    People have claimed Finau was poor and he did nothing but he has a high defensive workrate and puts in big hits. Now I'm not going to say that Finau should be there instead of Sititi but I do think Finau actually got a raw deal and as a traditional blindside he has more potential at test level at 6 than Sititi. I personally think Sititi is better suited to 8. I wouldn't mind seeing a trio of:

    1. Sititi 7. Savea 6. Finau

    I'd love to see Sotutu in the mix but he'll probably never play for the AB's again.

    no interest in the guy topping both tacke stats?

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Is the 'both sides of the ball' just a bunch of weasel words?

    Yes

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    #6560

    I don't get why people think Ardie has been poor?

    He's made the most tackles - 108 tackles at 98%.

    He's made the most dominant tackles of 9.

    He's won the 2nd most lineouts of 19.

    He's won the most turnovers of 7.

    He's 2nd for most tries.

    He's 2nd for defenders beaten.

    These are not just loose forward stats but stats for all All Blacks.

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    @ploughboy

    He's a great defender no doubt.

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    What’s the classification of a dominant tackle please?

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    replied to brodean on last edited by
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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Is the 'both sides of the ball' just a bunch of weasel words?

    both sides of the mouth

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    replied to MiketheSnow on last edited by Duluth
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    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:

    What’s the classification of a dominant tackle please?

    Whatever the definition is, it's very subjective. I've seen people absolutely nail a ball carrier and have it not show up in the stats

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    replied to MiketheSnow on last edited by MN5
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    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:

    What’s the classification of a dominant tackle please?

    See Jerry Collins/Jerome Kaino/Jason White

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    replied to MiketheSnow on last edited by Duluth
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    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:

    What’s the classification of a dominant tackle please?

    Google suggests it's when the ball carrier has negative post contact metres

    If that's true, smashing a rampaging forward for 0 post contact metres doesn't count but putting a halfback on his arse does

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    Whilst it looks good and gets players pumped, if Razor is looking to play a faster paced and tempo game then tackles allowing the second defender to get over the ball may be a better tactic than ‘smash em bro’

    And it’s less tiring for the defenders

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    African Monkey
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    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:

    What’s the classification of a dominant tackle please?

    My definition of it is stopping the ball carrier behind the gain line or in their tracks, not allowing the ball carrier to walk forward in contact. @MN5 gave some good examples of that, and I'm sure you'll remember the late Jerry Collins put on an almighty dominant tackle on your countryman Colin Charvis back in 2003.

    They also tend to make less tackles as opposition teams will likely steer away from the more hard hitting tacklers, hence why you see the Carlo Tizzano's, Ethan Blackadder's, Luke Jacobsen's of the world topping tackle counts.

    Shannon Frizzell also made plenty of tackles (apart from the world cup final), most of them around the bootlaces as he wasn't the most dominant of tacklers despite his size.

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    Bovidae
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    Pretty much as @African-Monkey says, but Jacobson is one of the few dominant tacklers amongst the AB loose forwards. I've never thought of Papalii as a dominant tackler as most of his tackles are around knees or ankles. He is a high volume tackler.

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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

    Pretty much as @African-Monkey says, but Jacobson is one of the few dominant tacklers amongst the AB loose forwards. I've never thought of Papalii as a dominant tackler as most of his tackles are around knees or ankles. He is a high volume tackler.

    I agree on Papali'i, don't agree as much on Jacobsen. He's workmanlike for me, like Papali'i, may put in the odd good shot, but falls in the high volume worker category for me.

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    @Duluth

    Yes the general meaning is preventing post contact metres.

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