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Hold China and all other developing countries to the exact same environmental standards with practically enforceable penalties for non-compliance then Trump and co. will start to listen.
A lot of the reason corporations are now involved in pushing climate activism on the West (but don't demand the same of the "less enlightened" people in China, Vietnam etc) is because they want to offshore their production to these countries. Including regulations on these places will fuck up their plans royally. The current goal (using people like Greta Thunberg as useful idiots) is nothing but a scheme to transfer wealth to these other countries and advance globalism. This extreme bullshit being pushed now is pure propaganda.
I would say how dare her parents work her into such a frenzied, depressed state. She's a puppet. Faker than my personality on a job interview.
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This is one scary little girl who looks like an extra from Village of the Damned, or maybe the female Damian, and I feel bad for her. She’s been abused and exploited by adults who use her as a human shield to deflect criticism. They are a Doomsday Cult preaching articles of faith with apocalyptic fear, complete with damnation to Hell and commandments, and selling her as the new Joan Of Arc. It seems to me they are using the kid because they keep having problems marketing their beliefs to the public, kinda like Scientology minus the Tom Cruise charm-offensive, who are still (unsurprisingly) skeptical. She’s the Girl Cryin’ Wolf. But oh, don’t you dare say anything bad about her — she’s just a kid!!
Everything old is new again.
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Rhetorical question: Why does anyone give a flying leap what that self-absorbed child says. Most kids grow out of their terrible two stage.
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@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Rhetorical question: Why does anyone give a flying leap what that self-absorbed child says. Most kids grow out of their terrible two stage.
It’s an excellent question. Politicians and activist-media are telling us what a smart and brave girl this is, and that we have to wake up and listen.
I’d challenge those same politicians and activist media to take their medical and legal advice from a kid. Maybe they’d discover they’re just as skeptical as I am.
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@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Rhetorical question: Why does anyone give a flying leap what that self-absorbed child says. Most kids grow out of their terrible two stage.
It's pretty insane. I have some, what I thought until now, were pretty reasonably minded friends posting all sorts of pro-greta guff.
She's an autistic little girl. Not a climate scientist. What does it say about someones cult when this is their messiah? Just hoping more conservative politicians are starting to realise that this lunatic twitter fringe are not the majority and if they stand up to this they will be elected.
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@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Rhetorical question: Why does anyone give a flying leap what that self-absorbed child says. Most kids grow out of their terrible two stage.
Honestly I’m shocked it took them this long to find something like her to make the face of their movement.
You can’t criticise her because you’re mocking a child with Aspergers and ADD .
You must listen to her apparently because.......?
Anyway, as with every other flavour of the month people eventually get bored and move on . I’m thinking that when that happens the meltdown that’s on the way from a hormonal obsessed teenager who’s whole identity is tied to the attention she gets for telling off everyone for destroying the planet is a suitable punishment for her parents.
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@No-Quarter He's done it now!
I love that man.
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
You must listen to her apparently because.......?
Maybe she's right?
Not sure about the hating on this kid. I don't give a shit who she is, how narcissistic, or whatever may ail her, but she may actually be making a point that people are pissed off with politicians ignoring them. She might have actually listened to the science? Unlike the guys getting promoted and paid by the fossil fuel companies?
Just a thought.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
You must listen to her apparently because.......?
Maybe she's right?
Not sure about the hating on this kid. I don't give a shit who she is, how narcissistic, or whatever may ail her, but she may actually be making a point that people are pissed off with politicians ignoring them. She might have actually listened to the science? Unlike the guys getting promoted and paid by the fossil fuel companies?
Just a thought.
Nah, listening to her ranting hyperbole makes me want to torch an entire rainforest while taking a dump on the still warm corpse of the last black rhino.
The latest crop of climate activists are using it as a front for bringing in socialism, if we listen to them and do what they want we are fucked.
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The latest crop of climate activists are using it as a front for bringing in socialism
Therein lies part of the problem. Being pro planet should not be associated with socialism, communism, nazism, or any other 'ism. It isn't a political divide, it is common sense.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The latest crop of climate activists are using it as a front for bringing in socialism
Therein lies part of the problem. Being pro planet should not be associated with socialism, communism, nazism, or any other 'ism. It isn't a political divide, it is common sense.
Agree, these guys don't believe that though. They aren't even trying to hide it any more and them and the Swedish harpy are doing their cause no favours by trying to bring in socialist policies by stealth. Apparently the green new deal paid lip service to the environment for the first page or so and then went straight into massive government intervention and socialist policy.
These people should really go and take a dip in Lake Baikal sometime and get back to us about state control of the environment. The green movement took a hit for the first few years after the wall came down when they go to see carnage the East Germans had created on the environment.
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If she wants to talk about stolen childhoods maybe she should spare a thought for the fact that many in the generations that so outrage her grew up with missing fathers because they died fighting the Third Reich whilst her country was “neutral”. Or as neutral as you can be when you’re shipping 10 million tonnes of iron ore a year to Nazis.
As for western industrialisation, it put end to the famines that ravaged Sweden for hundreds of years and lifted the peasant class out of starvation poverty.
Greta, our generations didn’t steal your childhood, they gave you one. Maybe ask your parents what revisionism means.
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@Frank said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Siam said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Frank how did they steal her childhood? Genuine rhetorical question
ha ha - not sure how she came to that conclusion
You don't think someone may have told her?
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Quoting a bit of what a friend said on facebook
*****"Watching Greta Thunberg's speech today gave me mixed feelings. On the one hand I was so impressed that someone her age has the courage to stick-out and speak-up. On the other hand I felt uncomfortable by the way she talked to people 'How dare you!' and 'we will never forgive you'. On reflection I guess the way I was brought up was that you don't blame other people. You don't condemn others for not doing enough - you praise them for what they are doing.
And on further reflection, perhaps that way of living (where you quietly get on with making the best decisions you can without using your time to shout-down the ones making decisions you personally think aren't wise)...that way of 'politely being' that I have grown up with is no longer relevant. I felt that if I kept my head down and worked behind the scenes that would be doing my best without being rude or judgmental, without pointing the finger or moaning or whinging or shouting."*****
I just think she was so bloody disrespectful of world leaders. She is just a kid who has been given a profile that she hasn't really earned.
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2 things strike me after stumbling into this thread after a few years away from the fern.
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The fact a climate thread is sitting under the category "Politics" says it all about the current Australian predicament
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It's a strange day when you read multiple comments from an old Australian prop that could have come directly from your own mouth.
NTA, I reckon we have probably come across each other in our professional lives in some capacity.
The saga goes on!
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