England vs BCs ODI series
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@no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:
@Sneakdefreak it's starting to get a bit silly leaving Henry on the sidelines when he has 67 wickets from 35 matches at 24 a piece. I'd also like to see Ferguson as our 3rd seamer, he offers a point of difference and is useful at knocking over the lower order.
I don't think Hesson has got the tactics and selections quite right this summer.
Yeah - for ODIs I think you've got to start questioning persisting with Tim Southee.
His CWC heroics vs Australia have just moved outside three years ago and since then his ODI record has been decidedly ordinary. 47 wickets @47 with an economy rate of 5.84.
Henry, Ferguson and Milne (if fit) all line up as potentially better options.
In terms of batting, maybe Worker comes in for a chance ahead of Munro - or maybe Nicholls could be tried opening?
Latham appears to have cemented his place as keeper and at five.
Guptill
Someone (Probably Worker, possibly Munro)
Williamson
Taylor
Latham
Someone (Probably Nicholls)
Santner
Probably de Grandhomme
Someone (Henry/Milne/Southee)
Sodhi/Ferguson
BoultProblem is that we don't have a lot of depth - bugger all options for wholesale changes, with lots of known failures in the queues.
Edit: Corey Anderson might be part of the equation at six or instead of Colin.
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I would still like to see Latham open. I'm pretty old school - I like to set a solid base and go from there. I think Nicholls is a good batsman but I don't see much point of him at 6. Ultimately I would like to see Santner at six in ODIs if we are going to bat him there in test matches.
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For the CWC, which is going to be a ten-team tournament in England, I would go Guptill, Worker, Williamson, Taylor, Latham, CdG, Munro, Santner, Henry, Sodhi, Boult.
The other four in the 15-man squad would be Southee, Seifert, Wagner, Nicholls (or Broom, whoever is a better trainer at practice).Corey Anderson and Jimmy Neesham would be a blessing to this team but sadly Anderson seems a broken player and Neesham appears to have lost his drive for higher honours. It's crazy that CdG is our all-rounder by default (remember when our team was essentially a team of all-rounders?).
We currently have a lot of depth in the bowling department but a serious lack of quality batsmen.
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@sneakdefreak I don’t mind that team.
Munro could be good in the middle order offereringn that explosive 6, plus his lack of pace with the ball will be handy in England conditions.
Worker at the top also adds another part time spin option.
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@sneakdefreak said in England vs BCs ODI series:
For the CWC, which is going to be a ten-team tournament in England, I would go Guptill, Worker, Williamson, Taylor, Latham, CdG, Munro, Santner, Henry, Sodhi, Boult.
The other four in the 15-man squad would be Southee, Seifert, Wagner, Nicholls (or Broom, whoever is a better trainer at practice).Corey Anderson and Jimmy Neesham would be a blessing to this team but sadly Anderson seems a broken player and Neesham appears to have lost his drive for higher honours. It's crazy that CdG is our all-rounder by default (remember when our team was essentially a team of all-rounders?).
We currently have a lot of depth in the bowling department but a serious lack of quality batsmen.
I was picking the Neesh and Anderson having a real battle for the all rounder spot but both have fallen far down the pecking order.
Nicholls has probably saved his ass with an unbeaten 13 and 55. He's certainly a massive downgrade from the top 4 though.
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Munro struggled down the order when he first made the team. He really only has one gear and ends up getting caught when batting in the middle overs (much like CdG). We really want him out there in the first 10 when the field is up, or the final 10 when the slog is on.
I'm OK with him opening, when he comes off we get miles ahead of the game, and when he doesn't we have three class players around him to try and consolidate.
Latham and Nicholls are probably where we struggle with balance. We really want one of them at 5 and a more attacking player at 6. If Santner can keep building his form and confidence with the bat he could end up taking Nicholls place at 6. He made some huge strides forward against a good attack this series.
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@sneakdefreak Death bowling would be a problem with the starting XI - Henry doesn't seem able to avoid being smashed. But if you didn't need two spinners he could play alongside Southee (or Ferguson).
Wagner? He's going to give away a lot of extras bowling six bouncers an over!
Problem with using Munro as a pinch hitting opener is that when he comes off, it is IMO mainly going to be against the lesser teams - which is not unhandy. But, I really, really struggle to picture him delivering against a top team in a knockout match - so most likely we're starting behind the eight ball.
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@Chris-B he smacked the much vaunted Pakistan attack around. I thought he would do better against the English, not sure I rate their bowlers above Pakistan, but he does play a high risk game so is less likely to come off against the better attacks.
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@bovidae said in England vs BCs ODI series:
To answer my own question, we are fucked without Taylor as none of the top order could anchor the innings.
Chapman is no Taylor, it would be fair to say...
More generally, Guptill, Williamson and Taylor are an excellent spine to build a lineup around (I'd say genuinely world-class even despite Williamson's current form), but we really struggle if one or more of them is absent and don't really have much in the way of other options to open or bat from 5 down.
Munro does his job which is to score quick runs early or get out trying and get Williamson in early, but it's hard to see him as anything other than that as he can't really bat well enough against top teams to build an innings. That's fine when we have our other top 4 batsmen, but makes life difficult if one of them is missing.
Nicholls is OK so I'd probably keep him round, especially as we don't have anyone obvious to replace him with, but again, we're not really including him in the order as someone to build an innings around at this point in his career - hopefully he develops into that.
Latham is a good solid option, and our lower order basically revolves around him as much as it did around Watling in tests. Having him open in injury situations makes sense, but I wouldn't touch him otherwise.
CdG is a reasonably safe option currently as he bowls OK and can score runs very quickly, so makes an ideal pinch hitter, but that's not a reliable option for longterm runs, so I can see why we don't put him higher up the order.
Santner is doing well, so has earned a few more matches at least.
The rest are bowlers, so don't really figure in this so much. Taylor vs Woakes in the 4th ODI did show that yorkers aren't the great answer as there is a small margin for error, and they will be punished as much as any other delivery if they are slightly off target.
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@mimic said in England vs BCs ODI series:
The problem with Munro is that he hardly ever comes off.
In 42% of his innings in ODI's he is out in the single digits. Averaging 25.85 when you've played ~33% of your innings against Bangas/Windies/Ireland/Zimbabwe is poor..
That's pretty damning when you break it down like that. I think his aura has well and truly gone past his actual ability ( and I'm certainly guilty of talking him up as much as the next man )
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