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    • taniwharugby
      taniwharugby last edited by

      State of the Unions | Deloitte New Zealand

      State of the Unions | Deloitte New Zealand

      A financial review of the country’s leading rugby unions reveals that a continual improvement of financial results has put the unions in position to increase their investment back into the grassroots of the game

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      • JK
        JK last edited by

        Interesting report.

        Just flicked through and pretty poor reading for harbour, especially on the Supporter and Community engagement which to be honest isnt really a suprise. Should really do much better with that population base and improved on field performance. Massive admin costs too but suspect its a classification variance given how low the team and match related costs are.

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        • taniwharugby
          taniwharugby @JK last edited by taniwharugby

          @jk yeah I found this comment telling, and is something i have banged on about for years as a Northland fan, we have fans up here who want to go and support the team, but many are apathetic if the results are not great (I've been at games in our dark years of continuous losses when I reckon I could count the number of people there and it wouldnt take long)

          Honourable mentions must go to Auckland (as stated above) for their increase in match related income but also to the Northland union. Northland had a $127,000 increase in >match related income in FY17. This 34.2% increase again shows the importance of performance as in the Taniwha’s case they won four more games than in 2016 and made the Championship semi-final

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          • Stargazer
            Stargazer last edited by

            Haven't looked at the report, yet. This has appeared on stuff.

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/106171380/Surge-in-rugby-female-players-boosts-unions-as-male-players-continue-to-drop-out

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            • taniwharugby
              taniwharugby @Stargazer last edited by taniwharugby

              @stargazer

              While it highlights the increase in younger grades player number, I know in Northland in years gone by and I believe other provinces have had similar drop offs in participation once they get to the U13-U16 grades, for a variety of reasons.

              page 22 of the report:

              For the under 12 age group which grew
              another 1.4%, female player registrations
              have increased by 7,157 (up 111.0%) since
              2010, and male player registrations also
              grew by 5,314 (up 9.8%).
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              Rugby at the grassroots
              Players
              The number of rugby players is a key indicator of the health of the game and, similar to many traditional sports in New Zealand, rugby unions face a challenge to grow the number of registered players.

              For the Mitre 10 Cup unions, collectively the number of player registrations declined
              by 178 (0.1%) from 2016 to 2017. The age group that drove the decline was the senior
              grades (21 year olds and over) as they decreased by over 2,000 registrations, a
              drop of 8.9%. Since 2010, the senior grades have decreased in size by 11.0%, driven by
              the drop in males of 13.8%, offset by the positive increase in female in the senior
              grades by 63.8% in the same period.

              The secondary school age group, in the Mitre 10 Cup unions, had an increase of
              2.5% in 2017 on the previous year, with both male and female player registrations
              growing by 0.7% and 15.5% respectively.

              2017 saw the first increase in male player numbers in this age group for the past
              three years in contrast to the seventh year in a row that the female number have
              increased. The growth in females playing rugby in the secondary school age group,
              although impressive with a gain of 78.6% since 2010, is outweighed by the decrease
              in male participation of 2,264 player registrations since 2010 (down 6.5%).

              The positive story, on an age group basis, is in the under 12 age group which grew
              another 1.4%, its sixth consecutive year of growth. On a gender basis, female
              player registrations have increased by 7,157 (up 111.0%) since 2010, and
              male player registrations also grew by 5,314 (up 9.8%). In 2017 this age group
              makes up 55.5% of all rugby player registrations of the Mitre 10 Cup unions.

              Two of the Heartland unions’ age groups grew in 2017 (under 12s up 2.3% and
              secondary school age group up 6.0%). The senior grade fell 6.7% with the male player
              registrations dropping 7.0% being offset by an increase of 7.3% in female players.

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              • Stargazer
                Stargazer last edited by

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114686138/state-of-the-unions-report-puts-spotlight-on-rugbys-offfield-performance

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                • Stargazer
                  Stargazer last edited by

                  Fyi, the link to the Deloitte report can be found here: https://www2.deloitte.com/nz/en/pages/consumer-business/articles/state-of-the-unions.html#

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                  • dogmeat
                    dogmeat @JK last edited by

                    @JK Financially it all seems to be down to Other Revenue which in 2018 was a negative figure. Other Revenue Streams were all up and Operating Costs were down. Which begs the question. An over-accrual in 2017?

                    In terms of Engagement - no real surprises other than the measurement criteria. Social Media followers and FB likes …...

                    Poor old Pinetree must be turning in his grave

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                    • Machpants
                      Machpants last edited by

                      Not that cheery

                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12254979&ref=rss

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                      • Chris B.
                        Chris B. last edited by

                        State of the Unions | Deloitte New Zealand

                        State of the Unions | Deloitte New Zealand

                        A financial review of the country’s leading rugby unions reveals that a continual improvement of financial results has put the unions in position to increase their investment back into the grassroots of the game

                        I didn't see this get posted earlier this year - so something for a quiet time.

                        A good financial year for especially BoP and Tasman.

                        Not so good for Taranaki, Canterbury, Wellington and North Harbour.

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                        • Duluth
                          Duluth @Chris B. last edited by

                          @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                          State of the Unions | Deloitte New Zealand

                          State of the Unions | Deloitte New Zealand

                          A financial review of the country’s leading rugby unions reveals that a continual improvement of financial results has put the unions in position to increase their investment back into the grassroots of the game

                          I didn't see this get posted earlier this year - so something for a quiet time.

                          A good financial year for especially BoP and Tasman.

                          Not so good for Taranaki, Canterbury, Wellington and North Harbour.

                          It was posted, there just wasn't much talk about it

                          Merged with the old thread

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                            Stargazer @Chris B. last edited by Stargazer

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                            • nzzp
                              nzzp @Chris B. last edited by

                              @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                              A good financial year for especially BoP and Tasman.

                              Hell, yes. Especially BOP - not sure what they're doing, but doing it really well. Others could emulate that

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                              • Crucial
                                Crucial @nzzp last edited by

                                @nzzp said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                A good financial year for especially BoP and Tasman.

                                Hell, yes. Especially BOP - not sure what they're doing, but doing it really well. Others could emulate that

                                So Tasman got a test match, meaning they got a nice surplus, which they then spent on recruitment and stacked their team.

                                So good on them for managing the situation well but how is that not a huge advantage over other unions that didn't get a test?

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                                • Chris B.
                                  Chris B. @Crucial last edited by Chris B.

                                  @Crucial said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                  @nzzp said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                  @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                  A good financial year for especially BoP and Tasman.

                                  Hell, yes. Especially BOP - not sure what they're doing, but doing it really well. Others could emulate that

                                  So Tasman got a test match, meaning they got a nice surplus, which they then spent on recruitment and stacked their team.

                                  So good on them for managing the situation well but how is that not a huge advantage over other unions that didn't get a test?

                                  No - the jump in spending in the Team and Match Related Costs will relate to the additional costs of hosting the Test match.

                                  If you look at the same budget line for 2017, Tasman has the 4th lowest Team and match costs and the key personnel didn't change much. We made the final in 2017 (and 2016).

                                  We built a good team over a long period of time - made up of a combination of Tasman players and other people's discards.

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                                  • Crucial
                                    Crucial last edited by

                                    There was a considerable boost to the working capital for Tasman at the end of 2018 based on the net test revenue. The key to this argument is the spending on team in 2019.

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                                    • Chris B.
                                      Chris B. @Crucial last edited by

                                      @Crucial Yes - but, I'm prepared to bet that the team costs will remain relatively low compared to other NPC teams, because the key personnel haven't changed much.

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                                      • Chris B.
                                        Chris B. last edited by

                                        And to demonstrate that point - here's the team that played the final - I've bolded the guys who weren't in the (low paid) squad in 2017.

                                        Perry, Makalio, Lomax
                                        Strange, Parkinson
                                        Squire, Taufua, Havili
                                        Christie, Hunt
                                        Nankivell, Aumua
                                        Jordan, Faingaanuku, Havili

                                        Salmon, Roach, Crockett, Cirikidaveta, Norris, Keisuke, O'Malley, Paea.

                                        Lomax is a good pick-up from Australia - but, on the other hand we've lost Hames and Halanukunuku, so I doubt he's more expensive than them.

                                        Havili was not required by Auckland in 2018 and Big Leicester was recruited from Nelson College.

                                        Norris and Paea were promoted from Tasman club rugby - I think Cirikadveta as well.

                                        Crockett has returned to his hometown and has bought a sports shop.

                                        Which leaves international recruits Roach and Keisuke. I doubt we've broken the bank on the reserves bench.

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                                        • Crucial
                                          Crucial @Chris B. last edited by

                                          @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                          And to demonstrate that point - here's the team that played the final - I've bolded the guys who weren't in the (low paid) squad in 2017.

                                          Perry, Makalio, Lomax
                                          Strange, Parkinson
                                          Squire, Taufua, Havili
                                          Christie, Hunt
                                          Nankivell, Aumua
                                          Jordan, Faingaanuku, Havili

                                          Salmon, Roach, Crockett, Cirikidaveta, Norris, Keisuke, O'Malley, Paea.

                                          Lomax is a good pick-up from Australia - but, on the other hand we've lost Hames and Halanukunuku, so I doubt he's more expensive than them.

                                          Havili was not required by Auckland in 2018 and Big Leicester was recruited from Nelson College.

                                          Norris and Paea were promoted from Tasman club rugby - I think Cirikadveta as well.

                                          Crockett has returned to his hometown and has bought a sports shop.

                                          Which leaves international recruits Roach and Keisuke. I doubt we've broken the bank on the reserves bench.

                                          Fair enough. But what was the cost increase 16 to 17? They ran to a very low profit in 17 knowing they had a windfall in the pipeline.

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                                          • Chris B.
                                            Chris B. @Crucial last edited by Chris B.

                                            @Crucial I think the relevant budget line is the Team and Match-related costs. Tasman has always had low figures there.

                                            And to check...2016 Tasman (1.954 million - 11th highest). Lost the final to Canterbury (4.451 million - highest!).

                                            One would hope Canterbury had some significant test match hosting expenses that year! 🙂

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                                            • mariner4life
                                              mariner4life last edited by

                                              Tasman Storm

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                                              • Crucial
                                                Crucial @Chris B. last edited by

                                                @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                                @Crucial I think the relevant budget line is the Team and Match-related costs. Tasman has always had low figures there.

                                                It went from $2m to $3.5 m in one year!

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                                                • Chris B.
                                                  Chris B. @Crucial last edited by

                                                  @Crucial Which, as noted, will be the costs of hosting the test match - mainly installing the temporary seating.

                                                  I'd imagine Canterbury has similar costs when they host tests.

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                                                  • Crucial
                                                    Crucial @Chris B. last edited by

                                                    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                                    @Crucial Which, as noted, will be the costs of hosting the test match - mainly installing the temporary seating.

                                                    I'd imagine Canterbury has similar costs when they host tests.

                                                    We can't see the figures on that but I doubt it would be 1.5m . That would be $70 per person spend for that one game where 3,000 seats were added.

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                                                    • Chris B.
                                                      Chris B. @mariner4life last edited by

                                                      @mariner4life said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                                      Tasman Storm

                                                      We'll all anxiously await the 2020 report to see whether Tasman won the title on a shoe-string... 🙂

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                                                      • Chris B.
                                                        Chris B. @Crucial last edited by

                                                        @Crucial Probably quite a few other additional expenses.

                                                        But that explanation makes a lot more sense than that we increased the player budget by $1.5 million without recruiting anyone big.

                                                        https://www.mako.nz/news/2017-makos-squad

                                                        Here's the 2017 squad - significant players who've been shed include Halonukunuku, Kane Hames, Alex Ainley (captain), Pete Samu and James Lowe.

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                                                        • mariner4life
                                                          mariner4life @Chris B. last edited by

                                                          @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                                          @mariner4life said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                                          Tasman Storm

                                                          We'll all anxiously await the 2020 report to see whether Tasman won the title on a shoe-string... 🙂

                                                          which set of books will you be providing?

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                                                          • Chris B.
                                                            Chris B. @mariner4life last edited by

                                                            @mariner4life We're from Nelson - we only have one set of books!!!

                                                            We have come out on top due to brains and skill - the NPC All Blacks to your NPC Englands! 🙂

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                                                            • KiwiMurph
                                                              KiwiMurph @Chris B. last edited by

                                                              @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

                                                              the NPC All Blacks to your NPC Englands! 🙂

                                                              So completely outclassed by your opposition?

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                                                              • Chris B.
                                                                Chris B. @KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                                @KiwiMurph Only in the spending stakes! 🙂

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